Is John 4:46-53 the same story as the centurion and pais in Matthew 8 and Luke 7?

by René
(Switzerland)

Jesus and the Centurion

Jesus and the Centurion

That's an intriguing question. There are similarities which on the surface, cause us to wonder if the Bible is describing the same account in Matthew 8:5-13, Luke 7:1-10 and John 4:46-53. I believe Matthew and Luke are talking about the same incident and John is talking about a different incident.

Notice the similarities and differences between the Matthew, Luke and John stories, especially the different Greek words used. I show the transliterated Greek words from Blue Letter Bible online.

1) The story occurs in Capernaum in all three accounts.

2) The story involves a Roman hekatontarches or centurion in Matthew and Luke and a basilikos or nobleman in John.

3) Jesus is asked to heal the hekatontarches/ centurion’s very ill pais/lover/servant in Matthew and Luke; in John a pater/father asks healing for his huios/son.

4) The pais/lover/servant is said to have paralytikos/palsy and is grievously tormented in Matthew, is sick and ready to die in Luke, while the huios/son in John is astheneo/sick.

5) Jesus says He will come to heal the sick pais/lover/servant in Matthew, starts toward the house in Luke and performs a long distance healing in Matthew, Luke and John, without entering the house in any of the stories.

6) The elders of the Jews intercede with Jesus for the hekatontarches or centurion but the pater or father in John does his own negotiating with Jesus and no elders are mentioned.

7) The pais/lover/servant in Matthew and Luke is healed and the huios/son in John is healed.

8) Jesus commends the faith of the hekatontarches or centurion in Matthew and Luke as the greatest faith He has seen but says nothing about the pater/father's faith in John.

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René's Original question:

"Restudying carefully the chapter of your book, Gay Christian 101, 'The Roman Centurion and his pais', where you analyze the respective Matthew and Luke pericopes (stories), a problem has arisen.

Many bibles give reference to John 4:46-53 as a parallel to these two accounts. Of course I do realize these references are not inspired, but there must be some scholarly reasoning behind it. Reading carefully the account of John, the greek nouns 'hjios', 'paidios' and 'pais' are used.

Considering and combining all of them, it is obvious that John is excluding every other meaning than 'son', which seems to conflict with your (in my opinion absolutely correct) rendering of 'pais' in Matthew and Luke as younger partner in a homosexual partnership.

I would appreciate your comment on why John 4:46-53 should not be taken into consideration as a parallel.

Thank your for your kind reply

René"

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Mar 14, 2012
 Evidence for and against these stories being the same
by: Anonymous

To me, the main pieces of evidence that John 4:46-53 might describe a different story than Matthew 8 and Luke 7, are that in John, the father asks Jesus to come to his home to heal his son, at which Jesus skeptically answers, "Except ye see signs and wonders, ye will not believe", implying that Jesus thinks the father wants to see his son healed before he'll believe in Jesus.

But in Matthew and Luke, the centurion says it's not necessary for him to see Jesus heal his pais, at which Jesus remarks on the man's faith. The two stories may be intended as contrasts.

But one implication that the story in John might be the same story as in Matthew and Luke, but later modified for some reason, is that it seems odd that both stories aren't described in each of these three gospels, where one would expect, if contrast were intended, both stories would appear.
Feb 04, 2020
 I think they are the same
by: Anonymous

First off, I am no Bible expert or theologian, just a passionate and curious christian. I've also only read the English texts in a couple translations (NLT and ESV). I first connected the stories after reading the John passage and having recently read the Matthew account. I thought they were different incidents, but that the similarities were eerie. Luke's account mentions that the centurion sent "elders of the Jews" to talk to Jesus. Neither Matthew nor John's accounts mention these messengers. My suggestion is that John's account is focused on the interaction between Jesus and the centurion's messengers, while Matthew's account is focused on the interaction between Jesus and the centurion himself, thus explaining the discrepancy between asking Jesus to perform the healing while being present vs long-distance. To me, this has the potential to explain the remaining differences, since the messengers may have spoken in different terms than the centurion himself.

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