Does the Bible say homosexuals will go to hell?

by Kam
(USA)

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No, the Bible NEVER says all homosexuals will go to hell. That is a myth based primarily on the NIV mistranslation of 1 Corinthians 6:9 plus the modern Christian mis-interpretation of Revelation 22:15.

Those are the most often used verses to teach that homosexuals will go to hell. Fortunately for saved homosexuals and unfortunately for those who use those verses against us, the verses do not teach or imply that homosexuals will go to hell.

Every homosexual - gays, lesbians, bisexuals and transgender people - will go to heaven IF they trust Jesus Christ as their Savior from sin and hell and the wrath of God.

I Cor 6:9 and Rev 22:15 describe pagan worshipers of the fertility goddess, not born again gay men or lesbian women or bisexuals or transsexuals.

Teaching that homosexuals will go to hell based on 1 Corinthians 6:9 occurs because many Christians misunderstand the Greek word, arsenokoitai.

"Know ye not that the unrighteous shall not inherit the kingdom of God? Be not deceived: neither fornicators, nor idolaters, nor adulterers, nor effeminate, nor abusers of themselves with mankind (arsenokoitai)," 1 Cor 6:9, KJV

"Do you not know that the wicked will not inherit the kingdom of God? Do not be deceived: Neither the sexually immoral nor idolaters nor adulterers nor male prostitutes nor homosexual offenders (arsenokoitai)" 1 Cor 6:9, NIV

Because the NIV did such a lousy job and mistranslated the Greek word, arsenokoitai, many people concluded that homosexuals will not inherit the kingdom of God.

If the NIV translators had bothered to study instead of just going by what the Greek lexicons say, the gay community could have avoided a lot of pain and heartache.

Arsenokoitai has never been a reference to a lesbian couple or a gay male couple. Instead, in the first century, arsenokoitai referred to shrine prostitution or rape or having sex with angels. That is the behavior Paul described when he used the Greek word, arsenokoitai.
"Outside (of the holy city) are the dogs, those who practice magic arts, the sexually immoral, the murderers, the idolaters and everyone who loves and practices falsehood." Revelation 22:15, NIV

"Thou shalt not bring the hire of a whore, or the price of a dog, into the house of the LORD thy God for any vow: for even both these are abomination unto the LORD thy God." Deu 23:18, KJV

"You must not bring the earnings of a female prostitute or of a male prostitute into the house of the Lord your God to pay any vow, because the Lord your God detests them both." Deu 23:18, NIV

The word "dog" describes one class of sinner who will not be in the New Jerusalem in heaven. Some Christians interpret Rev 22:15 to mean that all homosexuals are dogs and will not be in heaven. Of course, they are dead wrong and I'll be happy to tell them so IF THEY make it to heaven.

The Greek word for dogs is, kyon, sometimes meaning a dog or sometimes used metaphorically as in Revelation 22:15, as a reference to shrine prostitutes, Deu 23:18.

The word "dog" was used as an epithet to describe cult prostitutes, shrine prostitute, pagan temple prostitutes, who used sex to serve the fertility goddesses of ancient Canaan. Even one of the most anti-gay Christians, Dr. Robert Gagnon, identifies the Greek word kyon as a reference to shrine prostitutes.
“The harsh descriptions of the qedesim in 1-2 Kings (1 Kgs 14:24: “even qades were in the land”) and Job 36:14, along with the epithet of “dog” in Deut 23:18, suggests a degree of revulsion more suited to same-sex male cult prostitution.” Robert Gagnon, The Bible and Homosexual Practice, p. 104

"The existence of male (same sex) cult prostitutes was well known to Jews of the period (the first century AD), as Philo's comments testify ...Thus the most likely explanation is that the term "dogs" in Rev 22:15 primarily has in view emasculated male cult prostitutes without excluding a wider reference to any who engage in homosexual practice." Gagnon, The Bible and Homosexual Practice, p. 105

NOTE: The underlined portion is Dr. Gagnon inserting his opinion as if the Bible supports his opinion, which it does not.

“That means Josiah’s action against the qedesim in the temple precincts was likely taken as a direct result of laws in Deut 23:17-18 regarding the qedesim or “dogs.” Gagnon, The Bible and Homosexual Practice, p. 106

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Does God forgive homosexuals if they
repent but continue to be gay?

Oh yes! God saves us from our sins, not from our sexual orientation. When anyone trusts Jesus Christ alone through faith alone (without works) for salvation, they are forgiven ALL their sins, past, present and future.

The slate is wiped clean so its as it they had never sinned and never would sin. Jesus' death on the Cross and God's forgiveness based on Jesus' payment for our sins covers EVERY sin of those who trust Jesus for salvation.

There is nothing in the Bible which indicates that God changes anyone's sexual orientation when He saves and forgives them. The Bible never records that God or an apostle healed anyone of being gay or lesbian.

The belief that gays and lesbians must change their sexual orientation when they get saved is a personal belief of many Christians, based on nothing but their own opinion instead of on anything the Bible actually says.

Also, their opinion that homosexuals go to hell is partially based on the NIV's mis-translation of 1 Cor 6:9.

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Jun 05, 2010
 Fascinating
by: Me

I am currently an eighteen year old struggling with my sexuality (I am pretty sure that I am a homosexual), but for most of my life, I have been a Catholic. Because of my sexual orientation and my religion, I have always felt conflicted and confused.

Thank you for posting this page. :)

I am pretty sure that I will also leave the Catholic Church because I do not believe that salvation can be obtained by both faith and good works since the Bible says that salvation is obtained through faith alone. Do you believe that this can be another possible point in favor of homosexuals going to Heaven as long as they believe in God? Or have I stretched it too far?
Jun 05, 2010
 By grace alone, through faith alone in Christ alone
by: Rick Brentlinger

"...the Bible says that salvation is obtained through faith alone. Do you believe that this can be another possible point in favor of homosexuals going to Heaven as long as they believe in God?"

You are absolutely right! Gays, Lesbians, Bisexuals, Transgendered and Heterosexuals - all get saved and go to heaven the same way - by the grace of God alone through faith alone in Christ alone, with no works involved, no infused grace ala Roman Catholicism or any other church - salvation is only by grace through faith.

The book of Galatians makes this argument in succinct and pithy language. Its only six short chapters and is well worth reading. Try reading all six chapters of Galatians aloud every day for a week.

It will get into your heart and mind and you'll start to understand it in ways you didn't before.
Dec 21, 2010
 God and hell, I hardly think so!
by: Anonymous

I'm a practicing Catholic, and I don't believe being gay is any more of a sin then using an expired coupon. Not a sin at all! My boyfriend is also a practicing Catholic. If either of us wasn't Catholic, our relationship just wouldn't work. Our values are the same. We both believe in God and Jesus, charity, love, a strong faith, family, community, etc. Will we go to hell when we die, I hardly think so. We are part of God's children, desigined and made by our heavenly father. Our intent has never been ill will, only our belief to live a decent loving good life together as part of a civil human race. We've never asked for opinions on our life style, why should we, we've never judged yours. Go live your life and be a good soul.
Dec 21, 2010
 Trusting Jesus by faith alone is the key
by: Rick Brentlinger

Please don't make the mistake many people make - trusting their church or their pastor or their priest or their sacraments or their religious affiliation when they should be trusting by grace alone through faith alone in Jesus Christ alone.

Gays, Lesbians, Bisexuals, Transgendered and Heterosexuals - EVERYONE gets saved and goes to heaven the same way - by the grace of God alone through faith alone in Christ alone.

* There are no works involved in salvation.
* There is no infused grace involved, ala Roman Catholicism or any other church.
* Salvation is by grace alone through faith alone in Jesus Christ alone.

On that basis, do you know for sure you are saved?
Dec 24, 2010
 I don't get it.
by: Anonymous

I don't understand the above comment by Rick. What are you saying Rick?
Dec 24, 2010
 Getting saved is really pretty simple
by: Rick Brentlinger

Some religious people trust their church membership to guarantee their salvation instead of trusting Jesus. I've met Catholics who are trusting the Catholic church to get them to heaven and I've met Baptists who are trusting the Baptist church to get them to heaven INSTEAD OF trusting Jesus by grace alone through faith alone.

Here are some pages which explain how to get saved. The key point is that no one gets saved by being Baptist or Catholic or any other denomination. Salvation isn't about religious affiliation and rituals, isn't about church membership, isn't about doing good works. Salvation is the free gift of God apart from works.

Can you illustrate how
to believe in Jesus?

What does it mean
to believe in Jesus?

I'm a gay Christian and
I have some questions.

Would you like to know
how to be saved today?
Feb 04, 2011
 Lev.
by: A friend of Dorothy

I always find it amazing when folks talk about homosexuals. They reach deep in their pockets and dust off their halo and become the most saintly being on earth since Christ himself. Have you noticed it? Drunkards, cheaters, liars, adulterers-everyone's a Christian when the subject of homosexuality comes up and there is a gay to bash!

What is most appalling is the ignorance with which they bash others and proclaim they are the true Christian. They pick and choose the scripture they want to follow. Homosexuality is always the favorite target. Yet they fail to examine the beam in their own eye. Deep down they know they fall into many of the categories mentioned above. Yet they judge and it clearly states in the Bible we are not to do it.

But they are fine with committing that sin and others. And before anyone quotes scripture in Leviticus, I wish they would read the whole book. Really, read it. Which ones are you violating and have no intentions of ever following? Maybe you are intending to stone your neighbors for the broken laws found therein?for many you are supposed to!

Many ?Christians? who study the Bible know this is true but never correct those who are young in the faith who use it as a weapon against homosexuals. Is that not misleading the little ones? Here are some of the laws that are mentioned in Leviticus.

Don't have a variety of crops on the same field. (Leviticus 19:19). Don't wear clothes made of more than one fabric (Leviticus 19:19). Don't cut your hair nor shave (Leviticus 19:27). Any one who curses his mother or father, must be killed (Leviticus 20:9). If a man cheats on his wife, or vise versa, both the man and the woman must die (Leviticus 20:10). If a man has sex with a woman on her period, they are both to be "cut off from their people" (Leviticus 20:18). Psychics, wizards, and so on are to be stoned to death. Anyone who curses or blasphemes God, should be stoned to death by the community (Leviticus 24:14-16). There are many, many more.
Feb 04, 2011
 Part 2
by: friend of Dorothy

Con't from previous:

And don't get me started on what you eat that God, in Leviticus, commands you not to. I know many will refer to the Gospel of Matthew 27:51 and Mark 15:38, then speak of the veil separating the holy of holies from the outer court being torn in two when Jesus died on the cross.

But decide once and for all which is it going to be for crying out loud. When you pick and choose what you like to follow in Leviticus then judge and condemn others for not following just one verse, your words become meaningless. Judge your own heart.

If truth is important to you, study the history. Seek the truth only-not what I say or others but the truth?and to do that you have to study it all! I even encourage you to study the original texts?then think again how language and word meanings have evolved. Plus context is important!

A parting thought: Read the Sermon on the Mount and judge yourself first.
Feb 19, 2011
 Thank you
by: PJ

Rick, this site is one more proof that having been born gay is a gift. I don't know that had I not struggled to the point of suicidal depression in my youth that I would've heard the call of Christ as loudly nor as clearly when I finally did accept him on October 17, 1977.

Furthermore, I wonder if you, too have noted that there is a hidden gift in being told over and over again that you are outside the grace of God simply because of your sexual orientation--the gift being that I have a continual reminder of how precious that grace is.

So many people, many non-gay Christians especially, think that gays are simply maladapted heterosexuals who have opted to "perform gay sex acts." Odd too, that if gayness were truly a "perversion," there would be more lesbian and gay people sometimes and fewer others...but, like left-handedness, it seems a consistent characteristic of God's creation of humanity over the centuries.

I was "headed to hell" based on the fact I was born a human being. God's forgiveness at the cross in Christ did not come with conditions, special clauses, or exceptions, yet so many non-gay Christians send the message that gays have a special "marker" that sets off the "hell detector" at the cross in a unique way. And even beyond, gays are branded as "anti-God" or "hell-bound" simply by coming out.

It has been over 30 years since I accepted Christ and despite the wave of "ex-Gayness" that I went through, years of praying and thinking I had lost my salvation or never had it in the first place, I emerge having grown through the "lavender desert experiences" that so many of us endure, totally accepted in Him and still as gay as I ever was.

Interestingly, too, my life continued to improve in every way imaginable. I would not have lasted another year or two had I not asked Christ into my heart in '77. But, yes, I'm still gay as I ever was.

So, thank you for your ministry. Thank you for so many people who will see the acceptance that is there for them in your messages. And thank you for giving me a reason to bookmark your site and visit often.
Feb 21, 2011
 Why me?
by: Anonymous

If I am a lesbian but do not have relations with another woman, am I still a sinner? I didn't ask to be attracted to the same sex nor did I choose to be. Knowing that, what did I do wrong that has left me fighting with the devil my whole life? Why me? Why not you or some one else?

Why make me like this if it so bad?
Feb 21, 2011
 God loves and saves lesbians
by: Rick Brentlinger

Everyone on earth is born with a sin nature which we inherited from Adam, Romans 5:12.

All of us need to trust Jesus Christ as the only way to be saved, John 14:6.

Here are two helpful Links to information about Lesbians and the Bible.

Are lesbians treated the same as gays in the Bible?

Does Romans 1:26 condemn lesbians?
Mar 06, 2011
 Please stop ignoring context
by: Rick Brentlinger

Dear Anonymous-

Please stop ignoring context. I've dealt extensively with the meaning of Leviticus 20:13. The context is Molech worship, Leviticus 18:3, 21; 20:2, 3, 4, 5, not a committed gay or lesbian relationship.

It is wrong to attempt to force GLBT Christians into blind subservience to the Law while the Bible tells us we are not under the Law, Romans 6:14. If we try to live under the Law, the Bible tells us we must keep ALL of it, Galatians 3:10.

I encourage you to keep studying instead of assuming your opinion is more important than what the Bible says in context.
Mar 15, 2011
 Leviticus 20:13
by: Anonymous

Leviticus 20:13: "If a man also lie with mankind, as he lieth with a woman, both of them have committed an abomination, they shall surely be put to death; their blood shall be upon them."
Mar 15, 2011
 Another christian gutless wonder
by: Rick Brentlinger

Wow, can't you "anonymously gutless wonders" read plain English? I'll bet you couldn't find the real context of Leviticus 18:22 and 20:13 with a crowbar, a flashlight and a blow torch, if your lives depended on it.

On the off-chance you still have more than two functioning brain cells, please do yourself a big favor and read this page: Lev 18:22 & 20:13.

I'm not really blaming you. If I was as blissfully ignorant as you, I wouldn't associate my name with my Comments either.
Mar 24, 2011
 where?
by: Anonymous

I'm just curious! where in the bible does it say that homosexuality is right and not a sin?
Mar 24, 2011
 You're asking the wrong question
by: Rick Brentlinger

Where does the Bible say its okay for heterosexual couples to get married in a church building with a denominationally affiliated pastor officiating?

Where does the Bible say its okay for two heterosexuals who cannot have children to get married?

Where does the Bible say its okay for heterosexuals to get married, divorced, remarried, divorced and remarried again?

What you're really doing is trying to play gotcha. You think if the Bible doesn't say it in the words you think the Bible ought to use, then it can't possibly be right.

Yet you refuse to apply that goofy reasoning to anything you do in your own life. For example, you drive a car and use air conditioning.

Where does the Bible say its okay to drive a car?

Where does the Bible say its okay to use air conditioning?
Mar 24, 2011
 huh?
by: Anonymous

First of all.. I was ASKING!... I was not trying to be smart with my question!... like I said.. I was just curious!.. i dont know what the whole bible says thats why I asked..

second of all... I think for you to be "Christian" its really sad how you try to make what you believe "right" in a really offensive way.. I was just asking questions and you were just assuming things and just talking to me with hate in your heart and I see you are like that with everyone... no fruits of a Christian... dont you know that love words will soften the heart of a person!??? the bible teaches that....speak with love

and for last but no least how can you compare driving a car with a/c with nature!??? I believe we were created the way we were for a reason... Ive read the bible and to me it does say homosexuality isnt a good thing.. you say we change the meaning of the bible to suit what we believe and I think you all do the same... this is all about faith! at the end we will know who was wrong and who was right!.. I just dont see a God loving something so wrong ... if it is wrong to human eyes! imagine how wrong it is to God's eyes...
Mar 24, 2011
 No, you weren't just "asking"
by: Rick Brentlinger

You claim to be asking an innocent question yet you then admit your true position, that you HAVE read the Bible and you believe we're wrong.

Sorry, I'm not buying your accusation that I have hate in my heart and that you were only asking an innocent question.
Apr 02, 2011
 confused
by: Anonymous

I'm confused... when I was younger I thought I'm a girl, and I got frustrated with my discovery. As I was growing up, I dream of becoming a woman, even though I am a born a man. When I was younger, I also get attracted with girls...but when I hit puberty I am exclusively attracted to boys, and being raised by Christian parents I was disturbed and worried with their reaction. I'm so much at peace whenever I imagine that I'm a real girl (transgender)... than simply being a man having an attraction to another men (gay)
Apr 02, 2011
 God loves you dearly and has answers for you
by: Rick Brentlinger

Dear Confused:

Always remember that God dearly loves you! I encourage you to read:

If you're a gay Christian
does God still love you?


Here is a quick way to make sure you are saved.

Then I encourage you to read these pages which help to explain a bit about transgender issues and the Bible.

Transgender Issues

What about Transvestism?
May 01, 2011
 Version of the Bible
by: Angela

What version of the Bible do you use? I have seen quotes from KJV, but I was wondering if you use that exclusively. Also, how do you explain why God destroyed Sodom and Gomorrah? Thank you.
May 01, 2011
 We mostly use the KJV because of it's accuracy
by: Rick Brentlinger

Hi Angela-

We mostly use the old King James Version because it is the most accurate and the most gay-friendly English translation of the Bible. Yet on our page about malakoi in 1 Cor 6:9, I use more than 40 translations.

The reason for the destruction of Sodom is wickedness but never does the Bible say that Sodom was destroyed because of homosexuality.

Here are some helpful pages about that. You will note that even anti-gay evangelicals admit that the issue in Sodom was not homosexuality.

The truth about Sodom

The real sin of Sodom

The Babylonian Talmud on Sodom
May 02, 2011
 Creation and Homosexual Marriage
by: Angela

Thank you for the previous information. I do have a couple more questions. If it was in God's perfect will for man to lay with man and woman to lay with woman, then why did God create one man and one woman rather than two of the same sex?

Also, are there any references to homosexual marriage in the Bible? From what I know about the Bible, any time that marriage is being referenced, the relationship consists of a man and a woman. I am not trying to pass judgement - I am just trying to become more educated on homosexual viewpoints. Thank you for taking the time to answer my questions.
May 03, 2011
 The Bible is a gay-friendly book
by: Rick Brentlinger

Hi Angela-

The first reason for the Creation story in Genesis 1-2 is to tell us what happened when God created the heavens and the earth. The second reason is that God wanted to tell us the origin of the human race, which required Adam and Eve, a male and a female.

We are now six thousand years removed from Adam and Eve. We have more than seven billion people on earth. The human race is in no danger of dying out so the command to be fruitful and multiply is not as urgent as it was when there were only two people on earth.

It was not necessary for God to include every eventual possibility in human relationships as He told the Creation story. For example, polygamy is not mentioned in Genesis 1 or 2 but God definitely blessed polygamists later on. And celibacy is not mentioned in Genesis 1 and 2 yet celibacy is commended in 1 Cor 7:1-9, for those who have that gift.

I believe there are some references to homosexual marriages in the Bible. Here are some Links about that.

1. Is there any evidence of an actual gay marriage in the Bible?

2. Is gay marriage scriptural?

3. Gay marriages can't produce children so case closed, right?

4. Does be fruitful and multiply cancel gay marriage?

5. Are there any gay couples in the Bible?

Many thanks for your interesting questions.
May 03, 2011
 Biblical homosexual relationships???
by: Angela

Thank you, Rick. I do intend to continue fervently in my studies of the Bible.

I do want to mention that I have studied more on your examples of Biblical homosexual relationships. I believe that in each of your examples, the two people would be better described as best friends. And to classify those friendships as homosexual would be quite a stretch. It is very possible to have an intimate relationship with a person of the same sex without being interested in a sexual relationship. I have lady friends that I would count as sisters because of the closeness that I share with them. While I respect your opinion, I just cannot conclude that you are correct in calling those relationships homosexual.

Thank you once again for all of the information that you have provided on this topic. I have thoroughly enjoyed studying and learing from God's Word.
May 04, 2011
 Why forgive everyone but gays?
by: RILEY K

YOU CAN NOT say that GOD is a forgiving god if you believe that gays go to hell. If you are educated AT ALL with the HOLY BIBLE you will know the story of Jesus and The Stoning of The Prostitute.

Being a prostitute was one of THE WORST sins they could think of back then. It was so bad that they would STONE a woman to DEATH for it. But no, no, JESUS stood up FOR THE SINNER, Jesus stood up for the woman shrouded in sin and said: "Let the one without sin throw the first stone," saying that NO ONE is without sin!

Yet he stood up for her still! He loves us no matter what. "For God loved the world so much he gave his one and only son to die for us, so that whosoever believes in him will not parish, but have eternal life." Everyone has sin but he will save us if we ask for forgiveness and believe he is the Messiah!

And yes I'm gay and i am very sorry and have asked for forgiveness of my homosexuality but God doesn't want people to be someone they're not. That is an even bigger sin, denying God. God bless everyone who reads this. trust Jesus and you will NOT perish, but have eternal life.
May 09, 2011
 Romans 1:26-27
by: Pastor Ray

You can't take certain Scripture in the Bible and then change the meaning because they don't fit with your lifestyle you want to live and in this case homosexuality. The Word of God clearly speaks against this sin (and He calls it just that - A SIN).

It's okay to preach as a homosexual but to preach as if the act of being gay is pleasing to God is a lie right from the devil's mouth. And we all know how good he is at changing God's Word. In Romans the Lord say's that those who commit such things are worthy of death.

For God so loved the world that he gave his only begotten Son that whoever believes in Him shall LIVE AND NOT DIE!

God hates all sin big and small and homosexuality and it's actions are a sin against God and no sin is allowed in Heaven. Those who die in sin suffer the pains of hell.
May 09, 2011
 Stop acting like a stereotypical christian
by: Rick Brentlinger

Wow Pastor Ray, why must you ignore the truth as it is in Jesus and share your mistaken opinion? Couldn't you at least take the time to read what we believe before condemning us? If you're interested, we're offering this Free pdf Bible Study on Hell this month.

You may not know it but when you keep asserting your opinion as truth instead of the pure word of God, THAT is what pushes gay people away from you. If you want to win souls try opening your heart a bit more and putting the emphasis on Jesus and what the Bible says in context.

It is clear from your Comment that you don't know the questions, let alone have the answers.

I hope that somewhere deep in your heart, there is enough honour and integrity to keep pursuing truth even when truth conflicts with your long-cherished opinion.
May 15, 2011
 God has an issue with homosexuals
by: Anonymous

Clearly if God sets a law that says you will be put to death for homosexual acts (leviticus 20:13) then its a sin and the wages of sin is death. Lets see what you say when God throws you into hell. He will not excuse your sinful lifestyle just because you lead people to Christ. If i'm not mistaken..wasn't sodom and gomorrah destroyed for their fornication and homosexual acts?..selah on that
May 15, 2011
 Ignorance is not a fruit of the Spirit
by: Rick Brentlinger

What Bible are you reading that says "you will be put to death and thrown into hell for homosexual acts?" You cite Lev 20:13 but that verse doesn't say homosexual acts.

Why do you refuse to read the Bible in context? Even John MacArthur and Dr. Robert Gagnon admit the context is shrine prostitution.

As a washed in the blood of the Lamb, born again Christian eternally secure in my Lord and Savior Jesus Christ because I am justified by faith, Jesus already suffered hell in my place.

As many Christians more honest than you admit, the Sodom story is not about homosexuality.
May 19, 2011
 a true Christian
by: Anonymous

People that are true Christians know that God's word is in the Bible. People who want to continue a lifestyle that is not of God's will can do so but they cannot change what God's word is and what is written so therefore continue whatever lifestyle who wish to but do not think that you will enter Gods kingdom because you are fooling yourself
May 29, 2011
 wrong
by: Anonymous

YES THEY WILL!!!! you are totally wrong about this. 1 Corinthians 6:9, buddy. 1 corinthians 6:9.
Jun 15, 2011
 please answer me!!!!
by: Anonymous

Okay, I'm in need of help! I'm googling verses and searching pages. Just tonight my father, who is a big child of GOD, said that he had a vision that I'm going to die in a car accident because of my homosexuality and that he was relieved by that because I'm in hell.

I'm still crying and I really just need answers. Whether you believe in homosexuality or not. This is eating me up!! I have a good relationship with God but of this I'm uncertain. Please just help me
Jun 15, 2011
 You can know FOR SURE you're going to heaven
by: Rick Brentlinger

I think it's great that your Dad loves you and wants you to get saved. But he ought to sit down with you and in a loving way, show you in the Bible how to trust Jesus Christ. I have no way of knowing if you're saved or not but you can settle that right now.

The only way for any of us not to go to hell is to get saved by grace alone through faith alone in Jesus Christ alone. If you're trusting religion or being a good person or church membership instead of trusting Jesus, then you're not saved and you need to get saved.

Here's how to make sure right now that you are saved.

I'm praying for you. If you have more questions, please contact us.

God wants you to have the peace in your heart that comes from knowing you are saved. Praying for you, Pastor Rick.
Aug 11, 2011
 Interested in someone who seeks salvation
by: Anonymous

I'm glad I stumbled upon a page that didn't require an account. A short story first:

I met someone online several weeks ago, we have shared quite the connection and then he decided he could not date for fear of damnation because of a homosexual relationship. We stopped talking for a bit, and then recently started talking again because of my persistence.

We have formed a much closer connection than ever before, and along with a few issues such as not being out, having transportation, and a heavily religious family, he still has the same view. He realizes he is not going to hell for being gay, but although even after acknowledging feelings and making it very apparent that he wants something, he will not fully tolerate the idea. Committing the actual act and living the lifestyle is what he fears will condemn him.

My problem is that seeing the mutual connection, knowing the potential pain for him in the long run of relying on God's will to change his orientation and lead him in what he believes is the right direction, I cannot convince him otherwise.

He is more devout than anyone I have ever met, and his faith is far stronger than anyone I've ever met. He is willing to live a life of celibacy in order to be saved. I would never try to turn him away from his faith, and I cannot honestly say that I share the same faith, but I cannot honestly see how someone as faithful and as innocent as he is could ever be damned for making the decision to love someone of the same sex.

I've had many discussions with him over the past few weeks and it usually leads to his position that God created two worlds and gave us choice. (Or something along those lines.) Obviously I'm not entirely familiar. He believes that homosexuality is a genetic defect, which I do as well, and that we are merely victims to an imperfect system corrupted by sin.

He believes that the heart changes and that sin corrupts our hearts and that we can't always trust our hearts but must solely rely on the word of God as the bible states.

I can't say that I've honestly ever had very strong faith, but I can usually point out miracles in my life and prove thankful because the odds seem insurmountable. Even with my lack of faith, and in accordance to the belief of many people close to me as well as around the world, I truly do not believe that being in a committed faithful relationship with someone of the same sex can condemn you.

But I was just hoping for a little guidance on how to make him see the light as I see it, or at least take the chance.
Aug 26, 2011
 Jesus saved a homosexual
by: Trevor

God saved me 3 years ago. I was a practicing homosexual but He showed me that I was a sinner in need of salvation and He showed me that He'd provided for my salvation by sending His Son Jesus to die on the cross. Jesus took the full punishment for my sin that I could never have paid myself.

I repented of my sinful life and turned to Christ asking Him to save me. Since then I've not been made heterosexual.

I've learned through experience and reading God's Word that I'm to resist the lusts of my fallen flesh. As long as we're in this world we still have our fallen sin nature and it's this that satan uses to tempt us into sin again.

If and when we DO fall back into sin God has promised in His Word in 1 John 1:9 'If we confess our sins, he is faithful and just to forgive us our sins, and to cleanse us from all unrighteousness.'

Thank you Lord Jesus for Your precious blood, shed for a worthless sinner like me. Glory to God!
Aug 28, 2011
 Something to think about
by: Anonymous

I'm here to defend gay Christian beliefs. I've been forcing myself everyday for the past 4 years to believe I'm straight. I hated myself so much because my family is very Christian and so are my friends and they all wanted me to be straight but that's not my choice.

I tried EXTREMELY hard. I could not force myself to be what I naturally am not. Its the way I was born. I believe chemical imbalances in the brain may cause homosexual attraction. Its not a choice.

Sin is sin is sin. God sees EVERY sin to be the same... Being gay is no worse than any sin any of you have committed. We all know as christian believers that we sin on a daily basis. It's just human nature to be imperfect which is exactly why Jesus died on the cross for us. He saved us from our daily sins.

God wants us to enjoy life I'm sure, otherwise we would not be here. But if homosexuals can't enjoy life because all of you are arguing its a terrible sin, "Let he who is without sin cast the first stone."
Sep 15, 2011
 Watch the Sodom video
by: Anonymous

Watch the Sodom video.

Genesis chapter 19 records the two angels, disguised as human men, visiting Sodom and Gomorrah. Lot met the angels in the city square and urged them to stay at his house. The angels agreed.

The Bible then informs us, "Before they had gone to bed, all the men from every part of the city of Sodom, both young and old, surrounded the house. They called to Lot, 'Where are the men who came to you tonight? Bring them out to us so that we can have sex with them.'"

The angels then proceed to blind all the men of Sodom and Gomorrah and urged Lot and his family to flee from the cities to escape the wrath of God. Lot and his family fled the city and "the LORD rained down burning sulfur on Sodom and Gomorrah from the LORD out of the heavens. Thus he overthrew those cities and the entire plain, including all those living in the cities."
Sep 15, 2011
 @ Interested in someone who seeks salvation
by: Rick Brentlinger

Sorry for the delay in answering. I had just returned home from a trip to San Francisco when your Comment of August 11, 2011 posted and am just now getting caught up.

Thank you for sharing your story with us. I'll try to be helpful. It is so wonderful when two people discover mutual attraction and the beginnings of a love that may last forever. I can understand why you are excited and anxious at the same time. Here's what I recommend.

1. Make sure you are saved and make sure that your friend is saved. Nothing is more important than that.

2. Use a resource like this website to teach yourself and your friend what the Bible says and does not say about being gay and Christian. Its important for both of you to understand that.

3. I don't know your ages but if each of you is still a minor living at home, your responsibility is to complete your education and learn to walk with the Lord day by day.

4. Take your concerns to God in prayer each day. Only God can work out the circumstances and both of you are responsible for learning to pray and trust God with your needs.

I'm praying that God will give both of you wisdom and discernment as you seek His will and walk the path of His purpose for your lives.

Please do keep in touch and let me know how things are going.
Sep 19, 2011
 gay sick people
by: Anonymous

all gay people should burn in hell, especially the dirty no good piece of garbage lesbians out there. it makes me wonder why god created such filth.
Sep 23, 2011
 FACTS
by: Anonymous

I agree with ROB although I am not one to judge. The Bible does state clearly that homosexuality is an abomination amongst various other scriptures that state that it is wrong. I don't get how homosexuals try to misinterpret and twist the word of God around to benefit themselves.

"For the time is coming when people will not endure sound teaching, but having itching ears they will accumulate for themselves teachers to suit their own passions" -2 Timothy 4:3

People only hear what they want to hear but the Bible states that ALL will confess that Jesus is Lord. Re-evaluate your beliefs. Are they benefitting YOU or Christ?
Sep 23, 2011
 Amazing and scary lack of discernment
by: Rick Brentlinger

After the hundreds of emails I've received which claim the Bible says its wrong to be gay, I am still amazed when people continue to parrot that view without providing any verses which say that, in context.

Don't get me wrong. I already know why you never provide any in context verses. There are none. What I don't understand is why you refuse to re-evaluate your position when you know scripture doesn't support it.

Wouldn't you rather follow God and the Bible in context instead of following your preacher when he's wrong? Yeah, I figured that would be your answer.

Do you have the guts to watch the Sodom video?
Sep 23, 2011
 Please pray for the hater
by: Rick Brentlinger

Someone wrote a hateful comment about lesbians a few comments back. Please pray for that individual to get saved and the peace of God to fill their heart. Many thanks.
Sep 30, 2011
 deception
by: Anonymous

Satan's whole system is built on a lie. He wants to bring physical death, spiritual death, and he wants to bring eternal death. And he does it through deception and that is what he is doing through you. You are going to have a lot of people's blood on your hands on judgment day, Mr. Brentlinger.
Sep 30, 2011
 I commend your wisdom in remaining Anonymous
by: Rick Brentlinger

You have demonstrated great wisdom in remaining Anonymous. I can understand why you haven't courage to place your real name with your anti-gay beliefs. You are truly a wise man. I commend you!

Please click the last word in this sentence if you'd like to know for sure you are saved.
Oct 13, 2011
 Clarification please
by: Matt

How can you interpret Leviticus 18:22-24 to discuss anything other than sexual immorality? That's not out of context either, the bulk of the chapter is about sexual immorality.

But anyways, even with the sin of homosexuality, a born again believer in Christ can be saved correct? I believe so. But they can't just take the salvation without the responsibilities that come along with it.

Hebrews 6:4-6 For it is impossible for those who were once enlightened, and have tasted of the heavenly gift, and were made partakers of the Holy Ghost, And have tasted the good word of God, and the powers of the world to come, If they shall fall away, to renew them again unto repentance; seeing they crucify to themselves the Son of God afresh, and put him to an open shame.

I interpret this to mean if I am going to profess Christ as my Lord and savior, then If I fall away from that enlightened state (willful sinning) then it is IMPOSSIBLE for that status to be renewed.

What is your opinion on this? And I'm not bashing anyone by the way, nor passing judgement on anyone, NOR disregarding my own sin. For all have sinned and fall short of the glory of God.
Oct 13, 2011
 Clarification and answers
by: Rick Brentlinger

I'm happy to answer your excellent questions. Leviticus 18:22 is about shrine prostitutes, not homosexuality. Even extremely anti-gay preachers like John MacArthur and Robert Gagnon agree that the context is shrine prostitution.

Hebrews 6 sets up a hypothetical situation using a rhetorical argument, reductio ad absurdum, to teach that believers cannot lose their salvation. It helps to read the entire chapter.

For doctrinal truth about eternal security, click on that link and find a helpful Bible study. Remember that our eternal security is based on the doctrine of justification by faith. Hope this is helpful, friend Matt.
Oct 17, 2011
 Confused
by: Jess

I have been in a confused state ever since childhood about sexual orientation. I use to consider myself bi, even had relations with females, but when my faith grew stronger I did not want to go to Hell so I stopped thinking about it. Now I am in my 20s and the bi/homosexual feelings are flaring up again.

I understand you think homosexuals will go to Heaven, but I have read KJV Bible myself and and I believe I am damned for Hell if I do act on this lifestyle so right now I made up my mind to remain single. I do not care to be in a relationship at all anyways due to my controlling ex of many years and the men in my life I had to grow up with. I was also molested by a female member of my family.

I am not against gays though, I have several gay/bi friends whom I love to death. I just feel strongly in what I believe and making the choice for my own well-being and if what you write is what you believe than that is good for you. Whose right is it to judge or try to change the way you live and what you believe?

Also, to the very hateful comment about gays should go to Hell, etc. etc. If you are a Christian than you need to repent for what you have said because you can not be Christian if you have hatred in your heart.

Thanks Rick for the help though.
Oct 27, 2011
 So much confusion and ignorance, not enough heart
by: Christopher

I would first of all like to make it extremely clear that God does love everyone of his creations, and it's because of that love we are given a free will. Second, we all know John 3:16 but do we really understand what it means? God loves us so much that he sent his son to die in our place because he knew that we would never live up to his expectations of holiness. Jesus said that no one come's to the father but through him...
Nov 04, 2011
 I love gays but
by: Anonymous

To the previous person if you ever see this. I do not support being gay at all. Leviticus states my opinion on it. I still love gays regardless. Get the axe out of your hands, stop acting like you are any better than a gay. Christ died for ALL sinners
Nov 10, 2011
 I do not support the idea of this page
by: Anonymous

Leviticus 20:13 If a man also lie with mankind, as he lieth with a woman, both of them have committed an abomination: they shall surely be put to death; their blood shall be upon them.

What should be the sense of that verse if it does not mean "homosexuals should be put to death"?

If it is all about worshiping Molech then God could specifically state that in verse 13. If "a man lie with another man" is part of worship of Molech then any man who is practicing such is also worshiping Molech and that is not acceptable before God.

If you think that the Greek terms used in this verse were meant to describe the homosexual behavior present at Pagan temples and not about condemning homosexuality, on the same way the homosexual behavior present at pagan temples is UNACCEPTABLE before God.
Nov 11, 2011
 I need answers...
by: Standing Straight For Gay Marriage

Okay, first, I agree with this website; I agree with homosexuality (although I am not "gay"); however, I was doing research for a paper for school and came across this website. I support same-sex marriage, but can you verify, clarify, or disprove any of the things on an anti-gay website I saw? It deals with homosexuality and same-sex marriage being sinful.

I do not have much time to do my own research or I would myself. But I really believe in your message. Also, any Links would help as well. Thank You - God Bless.
Nov 11, 2011
 Only you know which specific information you need
by: Rick Brentlinger

I looked at the website you referenced and it is just the same anti-gay blather we hear from so many Christians who will not study. Concerning the paper you are writing, I answer 99% of their false statements on this website.

Check the Links under, What The Bible Says as well as the NavBar Links for: Gay Christian FAQ and Ask A Question. Many thanks for your support!
Nov 13, 2011
 Leviticus names many sins
by: phyllis

I find it interesting that most anti gay folks hang their hat on Leviticus, which also says we are going to hell for eating a variety of things, pork, shrimp, etc. I am not a scholar but am thankful that I attend a Methodist church who loves all and has the strength to discuss it all and actually read it ALL.

Vs picking bits and pieces out that support hatred. Our church welcomes ALL and that makes me glad. We are all sinners so why not just focus on loving one another, being kind, polite and respectful.

I think we will all be standing before our maker dumbfounded once we pass over and all is revealed. I would hate to live my life condemning folks. I would like to be proud of how I treated my fellow man once I meet my maker.
Nov 18, 2011
 what verse did you read?
by: Anonymous

1 Corinthians 6:9? If you think its a bad inturpitation in the bible you got, then get another one NKJV it says "Do you not know that the unrighteous will not inherit the kingdom og God? Do not be DECEIVED. Neither fornicators, nor idolaters, nor adulterers, NOR HOMESEXUALS, nor sodomites.(the men that slept with men) also read 1 Corinthians 7:2 Nevertheless, because of sexual immorality, let each man have his own wife, and let each women have her own husband.

Revalation 22:15 you say dog is not for guys ok fine but it does say and sexually immoral.

Any one that is not with God is againstt him!
Revalation 21:8

"He who is lost, can not be rescued, if he does not know he is lost" by esd
Nov 18, 2011
 I know you probably mean well
by: Rick Brentlinger

Sweetie, I know you probably mean well but still, it will be helpful if you do three things.

One, get rid of your NKJV and get an old KJV. The NKJV, like all new age versions, is full of errors, including its mistranslation of 1 Cor 6:9.

Two, study the Bible, 2 Timothy 2:15, comparing scripture with scripture and carefully note context and word meanings.

Three, do not be so quick to judge your gay brothers and lesbian sisters.
Nov 23, 2011
 Lost and Scared
by: Drew

For as long as I can remember I have been told that God and Jesus were and are my saviors. I was also told the being gay is a sin and that you would go to hell for being gay.

I am a 19 year old male who has never once drank or had sex. I have stolen and after I took it I would feel horrible because I took someones pokemon card unfairly.

My whole life people have said "Your gay!" or "Why are you so gay?". I don't really know if I'm truly gay or not. When I look at other men I think are hot or are my type all I want is sex. However when I look at women I want a lasting and long relationship with no sexual undercurrent.

One reason I have never done anything with another man is because of my fear in going to Hell. I have accepted Jesus into my heart and I have held him there for many years it was not till my mom and dad broke up and my dad turned his back on God and Jesus that I had a shaken of faith. I don't know what to believe but I will continue to turn to God for answers.

My question is to any Gay Christian. How do you know that Jesus will save you for living the way you are living. I have read and looked at everything that was written before this and it has made me feel less sure then ever on my sexuality.

I have had bad run ins with people who thought I was gay the worst being told by my gym teacher I could not enter the change room until all the guys were out. I have never once said I'm gay but I have wished I could to get people off my back about it. Even now that I'm at school people have decided I'm gay and treat me as such. But all this aside I would like to know how you can feel so sure in something so unsure when for thousands of years it has been told to be wrong and sinful.
Nov 25, 2011
 Please read the Linked pages
by: Rick Brentlinger

Hi Drew- Thanks for sharing your heart with us in such an open and loving way. Please know that you are not alone in wrestling with doubts about your salvation and wondering if it's okay to be gay and Christian. Many people have gone through that struggle.

I included a lot of Links in the post at the top of the page so that you can access additional information. I hope you will take the time to read the Linked pages, especially the ones about getting saved but also the pages about it being okay to be both gay and Christian.

Only by educating yourself on what the Bible says and does not say will you receive peace in your heart about these issues. As long as you listen to anti-gay folks instead of reading and studying the Bible for yourself, you will have doubts.

Faith cometh by hearing and hearing by the word of God." Romans 10:17.
Nov 25, 2011
 Not gonna post your rubbish Nick
by: Rick Brentlinger

Hey Nick- Your anti-gay rants will not be posted here. I hope that some day soon, you will start living an honest life and stop ripping verses out of context to further your anti-gay agenda.
Nov 30, 2011
 I think homosexuality is a sin
by: David

Hey Rick, I wanted to first start of by stating that I believe that Homosexuals are able to enter the Kingdom of Heaven. I believe that homosexuality is a sin just like any other sin which is committed and that Christ has forgiven when we submit ourselves to Him and repent.

Now I was reading some earlier comments, and back on April 29, 2010 you said that homosexuality is not a sin. I'm gonna have to disagree with you on that one.

Romans 1:26-27 "For this cause God gave them up unto vile affections: for even their women did change the natural use into that which is against nature. And likewise also the men, leaving the natural use of the woman, burned in their lust toward one another; men with men working that which is unseemly, and receiving in themselves that recompense of their error which was meet."

In Romans 1, Paul is speaking of people who were informed of what God wanted of them and chose to "not retain God in their knowledge" (verse 28).

The Bible says that homosexuality is a sin. If someone is homosexual and wants to be a good christian, they need to repent and submit themselves to God. Remember that the act of repenting is to not only admit your sin but to also strive to make the change in your life.

You may say that homosexuality is not a choice and therefore you can't change it, and you're right. YOU can't change on your own, but you can do all things through Christ who strengthens you Philippians 4:13.
Nov 30, 2011
 Study to shew yourselves approved unto God, 2 Timothy 2:15
by: Rick Brentlinger

David, I encourage you to study the Bible in context before drawing conclusions based on nothing more than reading a few verses and assuming the first thought that pops into your head is their true meaning.

Most of the body of Christ for 2000 years did NOT understand Romans 1:26-27 to be addressing the question of homosexuality. Here is the context of Romans 1:26-27.

And you may also enjoy Does God love the heathen?
Nov 30, 2011
 Please watch the video and read the FREE information I provide
by: Rick Brentlinger

David, please watch the video and read the extensively documented information I provide before drawing a conclusion. The religious tolerance website only skims the surface. I go into far greater detail about the meaning of Romans 1.

The view that Romans 1:26-27 describes heterosexuals who left heterosexual practice to engage in homosexual sex comes from St. John Chrysostom, a conservative and rabidly anti-gay preacher.

My first page on Romans 1 has many links to additional information. It will help us have a fruitful discussion if you will acquaint yourself with the context and the facts about Romans 1.
Nov 30, 2011
 I will research
by: David

Ok Rick, I will look through every nook and cranny of the information you provided and try to prove myself wrong. However, I encourage you to do the same as well. I encourage you to do some research on contextual information that says that homosexuality is a sin.

I believe that we should be trying to prove ourselves wrong in order to make sure we are coming towards the truth. Both of us our questioning each others lifestyles. I am questioning the way you live, in that you believe that it is not sinful to be homosexual. Because of that, you should see if there's truth to that, so you can adjust your life accordingly. On the other end, if what you are saying is correct, then I need to rearrange my lifestyle. I have always been a user of the NIV translation and if homosexuality is not a sin, then I need to stop my use of that translation.

It seems to me that we both strive to live lives that glorify and honor God to the best of our abilities. One of us is wrong, and one of us is right. With that in mind we need to continue with research in order to make sure we are doing everything we can to honor God with our lives.

Like I said I will research more extensively on this topic and get back to you with either a counter-argument or agreeing with your view of the topic. This will most likely happen once I don't have to worry about my College Finals :/.

In the meantime I have a question on a slightly different topic: Do you believe you will still be homosexual on the New Heavens and New Earth?
Nov 30, 2011
 Truth is attainable and knowable
by: Rick Brentlinger

David, the truth is, I have been studying the Bible since 1969 and the topic of homosexuality since 1989. As I carefully document on this website and in my book with quotations from their writings, many anti-gay Christians agree with what I say. In spite of their agreement with many of the positions I take however, they steadfastly hold to their anti-gay opinions, without a shred of supporting objective proof. Discovering truth is not the same as embracing truth.

Will we still be homosexual on the new heavens and new earth?

The Bible makes no clear statement on that so anything we say is conjecture. However, if heterosexuals are still heterosexual after the resurrection, then certainly, homosexuals will still be homosexual. Both are part of God's wonderful creative plan. Jesus did indicate that in heaven, earthly marriage relationships will be different than we experience them down here, Matthew 22:30.
Dec 06, 2011
 Wow.
by: Joseph

Okay, I don't see why people are so caught up on this. I mean, really? When I was like 5 I started liking guys. It is not a choice, I am attracted to guys and I never asked to be, plus I read something that says Before I formed you in the womb I knew you, before you were born I set you apart. Jeremiah 1:5a.

So God knows where your life is going to lead. He knows your future, past and your present. I really don't think gay people should go to hell. It is not between anyone but yourself and God. All you people who say we're going to hell, you're judging us and its not your place because you don't know where we're going.
Dec 06, 2011
 Ignorance
by: Anonymous

From the dawn of time, Man has always shunned, rejected, and damned things they do not understand.
Dec 09, 2011
 I Love God
by: Confused

I knew I was attracted to females a long time ago but my mom is against that. She talks bad about homosexuals all the time but in my heart I know im one. When she found out she went crazy. I disgust her now. I dont know if im going to hell but I love God. I pray to Him constantly in fear of burning forever. Ive been battling with this for years and im still confused. I can't help that im attracted to females.
Dec 09, 2011
 God created diversity
by: Standing Straight For Gay Rights

I believe everyone has the right to be with the one their heart tells them to be with. It should not matter whether you are lesbian like yourself, gay like many others on here, or straight like me and the anti-gay "Christians" on here. We are born the way God intended us to be. Remember, God does not make mistakes.
Dec 10, 2011
 madness and incorrect information
by: Anonymous

correct god does not make mistakes but we do, if god intended for us to b gay then he would have given adam a husband not a wife, or he would have made 2 women.
the natural order of things is one way, male dogs do not go behind male dogs, nor any other animal in the world is so thus the natural order is specific to see that male bonds to females, so you cannot tell me that you are justifying it by says we cannot judge people.
Dec 11, 2011
 Wrong Information?
by: Standing Straight For Gay Rights

No. There are animals in the wild (like monkeys) who exhibit homosexual behaviors and there are others who can switch sex willingly. I think it was some species of squid or octopus. So natural order is not a valid reason. And again, just because it began as man and woman does not mean God wants us All to have heterosexual relationships. God is just.

I do not think he would have made gays just for them to go to hell for LOVING. Gays do not decide to be hated, assaulted, damned, humiliated, and prosecuted. They do not decide to become gay and possibly be killed because of their sexuality. So to say they choose to be gay, you have to be gullible.
Dec 14, 2011
 Homoexuals do go to hell
by: Anonymous

how about reading 1 corinthians 6:9-10. It clearly says homosexuals will go to hell.

Or do you not know that wrongdoers will not inherit the kingdom of God? Do no be decieved: Neither the sexually immoral nor idolaters nor adulterers nor male prostitutes nor PRACTICING HOMOSEXUALS nor thieves nor the greedy nor drunkards nor slanderers nor swindlers will inherit the kingdom of God.
Dec 14, 2011
 The wilfully ignorant are beyond the reach of truth
by: Rick Brentlinger

Hey friend, this page started with a discussion of 1 Cor 6:9. Unlike you, we have read AND studied these verses. Get. A. Clue. Please.
Dec 15, 2011
 Hey Rick...
by: Anonymous

I honestly don't know how you managed to interpret the Bible's words, which are very clear about homosexuality. I rely more on the NT by the way. But really, how about speaking in love and not using ad-hominems?

Anyways, like I said, the Bible is very clear about homosexuality and doesn't support it. I'm just saying the truth and I will not force anyone. Heck, I know I'm a sinner too. I'm just saying, stop twisting God's words.
Dec 16, 2011
 Homophobic prejudiced twisters
by: Anonymous

Man has twisted His words for centuries, hence all the versions of the Bible. To say that Rick is twisting His words means nothing because it has already been twisted. Perhaps twisting it more will actually make it seem more like what God wants, not what homophobic prejudiced "true Christians" want us to believe.
Jan 03, 2012
 only God can judge and decide
by: Not God

every one one seems to be worried to see who is right and who is wrong, God will deciede in judgment day, b-cuz of our actions we will be judged. and we all knw that satan has a purpose and is to destroy Gods work and followers of Christ those that believe in the unointing of the Holy Spirit. So wether we like it or not he is to blame God made man to his image and not to be forgoten! so satan is a hater deciever and distroyer of all belivers and if we dont fear God then who? instead of ppl fighting and bikering who is right pray and worrie about your salvation and let God decide and on judgment day. any one out there arguing with Gods word is wrong! and if homosexuals are not transformed or you believe are not saved then work harder as Christians we must not be doing a good job at preaching and showing his word! when judgment day comes we will see who will enter the kingdom and who will not! beacuse any one can ask any one will you go to hell? the question should be will you get in to heaven? ask a demon will you go to hell he will say no ask him will he go te hevean he will say no what is against Gods word and any sin will Not enter his kingdom so we all need to meditate on ower owne life first if we will enter his kingdom then judge others!
Jan 06, 2012
 Rant from a moron - enjoy
by: Anonymous

This is a complete lie, how can you say that gays and lesbians arent going hell?!! did God destroy Sodom and Gomarroh because of that? yes he did!!!!! read romans chapter 1 versus 24-27 in the KJV of the bible and you will see, God completely disapproves this
Jan 08, 2012
 Investigate a little and focus on context
by: Matt

I am surprised at the lack of understanding of the Bible and christian beliefs in this comment section.
Jan 12, 2012
 Confused but trying
by: Anonymous

I do not believe in God and haven't for a while now, for many reasons. I keep finding contradictions and flaws in the holy text. Also there's something I don't much agree with.

My friend gets picked on for being gay. I'm a pacifist and not very good at standing up for what I believe in. I tried to get them to stop picking on my friend but they keep telling me being gay is a sin.

But if God positively made us, He also made gayness, right? Or are u gonna say that is Satan's temptation? I don't see why people who torture other people should think they can make it to heaven. It's evil of them, I think. I wish I could stop them but I'm too scared to stand up to them for my friend.
Jan 12, 2012
 Here is the answer to your confusion
by: Rick Brentlinger

I am so sorry that people are picking on you and your friend. I admire your courage. Your comment encourages me to believe that you are stronger than you know.

Rest assured, God sees your situation, He loves you and He wants to save you and fill your heart with His peace and your life with His strength.

Please go to this Link: Saved and watch the short video.

I hope you will stay in touch with me and let me know what God is doing in your life. Many thanks for having the courage to comment. You are loved!
Jan 16, 2012
 no such thing as a queer christian
by: Anonymous

going to hell for their sick actions, queers pick and choose the parts of the bible that suits, george michael can tell u all that god loves you, but if you read the book youll find he doesnt
Jan 16, 2012
 I'm Too dumb to walk and chew gum - here's my incoherent thoughts
by: Anonymous

i dunno how i ended up on this site, ive never heard or read such deviant sh** before. afaik, no religion condones what goes against nature. ur all sick. whats worse is u pretend god can love you in your own little corner of the world, "stoned to death" who are u all kidding?
Jan 17, 2012
 Its up to you
by: Truth

Wow..you seem to have all of the correct buzzwords and scripture sentences to justify living an abomination lifestyle...

All sins are forgiven because Jesus dies on the cross for ALL of us. Homosexuality, beastiality, and suicide are abominations I.E. UNFORGIVABLE sins. By the way, leading souls in the direction that hinders their salvation is also a sure way to lose your own salvation.
Jan 22, 2012
 Gays will go to hell no matter what
by: Anonymous

Gays will always go to hell no matter what, Gays do not love Jesus or God because if they did they wouldn't have been gay. A gay cannot be Christian or a part of any Abrahamic religion. If you are gay you cannot be saved. Homosexuality is a permanent sin and has a permanent penalty, Hell-fire. God has made man AND women as companions. Do you not forget the destruction of Sodom and Gomorrah?
Jan 31, 2012
 Homosexuality Is WRONG && You WILL go To HELL For It !!!
by: Anonymous

DO NOT lie to these people and make them believe that you can still go to heaven being gay , homosexual , bisexual or even transgender. God said it's an ABOMINATIOM , he HATESSSS it ! It isn't right so stop supporting it , either repent and have God take that crap away from you or go to HELL !!!!
Jan 31, 2012
 Must be a full moon again!
by: Rick Brentlinger

Quick, someone call the clown posse! Some of the inmates have escaped and got access to a computer. Under a full moon, they make their schizoid posts, ranting like lunatics, yet sane enough not to use their real names.

Okay Anonymous guys, you've had your 15 minutes of fame. Crawl back under your rock now. Buh bye.
Feb 10, 2012
 No Compromise
by: Christ Follower

Editor's Note: So many of you commenters parrot the same tired, jaded, goofy illogic. Don't any of you think? Don't any of you obey 2 Timothy 2:15 and study to rightly divide the word of truth? Do you have any plans to some day study the Bible instead of being spoon fed anti-gay idiocy? Anyone, anyone? Bueller?

No Compromise writes: I do not want to offend. I am not the judge, however God is. His word is true and clear. We like to twist the truth to meet our specific needs. The word of God does not conform to us, we must conform to it. No matter what the sin is (heterosexual, homosexual, sexual immorality of any kind) Christ suffered and died for all kinds. If you are living a gay lifestyle and do not repent from that sin, but make it out to be normal and just in God's eyes, you will be sadly mistaken when you stand in front of Jesus on your judgment day. As a human, you will always sin, that is our nature. As a follower of Jesus, you no longer long for the sin, but despise it for you know the great price he paid so you would not have to suffer the second death. As for people who claim they were born gay and they did not have a choice; that is not true. I may have been born with a mind for stealing or violence, but I choose to act on them. I pray that all who are struggling with their sin go to God and talk with him. Stop listening to all of us who are commenting for your guidance, but ask God to open your eyes.
Feb 17, 2012
 Point out specifically where the Bible says it's okay to be gay
by: Tommy

Rick, I think that it goes on a matter of opinion,you choose to interpret the Bible as you see it and others are giving their opinion, they dont like yours,some agree and some dont, there is always the chance you are wrong and misinterpreting the bible yourslef because you DO want to justify homosexuality, would you admit it?probably not, then theres the chance you could be right,BUT God loves the sinner, you can sugar coat it as may ways as you like if none of us repents you now whats in store, none of us are going to interpret the bibe the same way,its an age old argument,but however, somebody is wrong as well as they are right. I do beleive homosexuality is a sin as well as all sins and for our sins and we will all go to hell if we dont repent. I do ask you to point out specifically where the Bible says that its ok and any scripture that says its ok and NOT a sin.(and dont use Jonathan and david, again thats an opinion)

Rick answers: Tommy, because you never apply that goofy illogic to your life, it is unfair to apply it to our lives. You cannot point out specifically in scripture where heterosexuals ever got married in a church building in a ceremony officiated by a denominationally affiliated pastor or where they exchanged wedding rings or where someone threw rice at them.

You cannot point out specifically in scripture where churches like the Southern Baptists funded their pastor's retirement by investing in the stock market.

Can you point me to specific verses where it is okay for pastors, elders, deacons and church members to get divorced and remarried and divorced and remarried again and still lead the church? If heterosexual Christians took Jesus' words seriously, Matt 5 & 19, Mark 10, they would lose more than 50% of their congregation.

Can you show me specifically in the Bible where any church had electricity or air conditioning? Why do you feel it is okay to apply that kind of goofy illogic to us yet you would never apply the same illogic to yourself?
Feb 18, 2012
 Also
by: Tommy

Tommy wrote: So you can sidestep the question, can you show the scriptures or can you? I can say your way of thinking is goofy as well but it still doesnt answer the question, can you or not?

Rick's answer: Tommy, I think it's funny that you feel the need to play gotcha. I note that you feel no need to apply that logic to your life AND you didn't answer any of my questions. That's about par for the course.

Tommy again: If I was a person too that wanted to know that whether I was doing something wrong according to God such as things like adultery for example, Id want to see where it is that says that and quit it and get my life right,now,if I was a person that enjoyed adultery Im going to fight tooth and nail to find things that say its ok,such as so and so had many wives so its ok for me too. and for darn sure if you disagree with me,Id say things like, how you think is"goofy illogic" and what I say is the truth,and I said before its going to be an argument til we reach the judgement before God,all I can tell you is I dont hate homosexuals whether I agree with it or not because we are all sinners and cant judge,if you think its ok,go with it,but make sure youre not just preaching to others that its ok because you are gay and trying to force it,Id hate to tell someone to jump off a cliff and they end up killing themselves, you better look and see whats down there first.

Rick answer: I agree with you that it's not wise to jump off a cliff and I agree that we should go with what the Bible says, in context.
Feb 18, 2012
 There's not anything that says it's okay
by: Tommy

I answered the question, but you never did either, so touche',the answer is theres not anything that says its ok. and as far as applying to my life I have, maybe you didnt go thru what i wrote, when theres something that I want to know what im doing is wrong i turn to the word of God and not humans,you and i are going to have to agree to disagree because I say im reading in context you say youre reading n context and so do scholars and people who agree with you and so do ones who agree with me,BUT Ill say this IF you are going to tell people, I know I would want you to,find a scripture that would tell everybody, the world, that this is ok, a committed relations or not, tell me its ok. and that would be no different from my life if there are things Im doing but the bible might say that thats wrong,Id want to know, wouldnt you?I wouldnt want to tell my brothers and sisters which includes you, that its ok to murder when the Bible says tho shalt not kill. the bible as you know is far more complex with its rules than people think and when people are opposed to what someone is or does the FIRST thing they do is say, well it also says this and it also says that but even though it says that doesnt mean its ok for me to stay in my sinful life does it? so I have to repent and get out of it. now, youdont think homosexuality is sinful thats on you, can I judge you or others? nope because all of us are sinners and none is greater, the fact is homosexuality is out there, you can sugarcoat it as being a normal behaviour all day and when people start to beleive it BAM,you have the parades with men wearing feminine things and women looking like men Deuteronomy 22:5,kinda make it hard to make a good argument. like I said we are just gonna have to agree to disagree

Rick's answer: Deuteronomy 22:5 is not talking about wearing similar clothing or even the same clothing. It refers to women dressing like men to worship false gods. That's not the opinion of a gay man. That is what many conservative anti-gay Bible commentators say.
Feb 20, 2012
 Just tell the truth
by: tim

I would that you could see my heart in this matter. I want to see the lost saved so let us take a closer look at this together is sex between two men or two women sin! yes no matter how you try to go around it the word is very clear.

Genesis 19 or

Leviticus 18:22 & 20:13 or

Romans 1:26-27 or

1 Cor 6:9 & 1 Tim 1:10...

just the truth.

Why would a preacher constantly make anti-gay remarks?

Rick's answer: Tim, I'm not going to let you quote those verses out of context and then use the out of context verses to condemn. You are being dishonest in the way you handle the scriptures.

If you are sincerely interested in God's truth, I encourage you to please click on the Links and allow God's Holy Spirit to teach you. Many thanks!
Feb 22, 2012
 Answers are available, Part 1
by: Rick Brentlinger

Hi John, thanks for the interesting questions. The standard of proof you seek is impossible for anyone to meet. For example, can you show me proof that Americans go to heaven? No verse in the Bible says that.

Can you show me proof that convicted felons go to heaven? No verse in the Bible says that.

Can you show me proof that gays go to heaven? No verse in the Bible specifically says that.

However, the Bible does clearly say that saved people have eternal life and go to heaven: John 3:5-7, John 10:28-29, John 14:1-6, Romans 8:38-39, 1 John 5:11-13. So the right question to ask is: Am I saved?

If you are saved, you are going to heaven regardless if you are American or a convicted felon or gay.

Many people grew up in church and consider themselves Christian but in reality they have never been saved. They are cultural Christians, meaning they grew up in a culture that considers itself Christian. There is a huge difference between being a cultural Christian and being a genuine born again Christian in the Biblical sense. Why do so many young people quit church? Because they've never been saved. They are only cultural Christians.
Feb 22, 2012
 Answers are available, Part 2
by: Rick Brentlinger

As far as the proof you requested, this website has more than 650 pages of in depth information proving that the clobber passages are taken out of context and then mis-applied to gays and lesbians. If that truth is not clear in your mind, I encourage you to click on any link on the NavBar under, What The Bible Says.

I encourage you to also ask the same tough questions to Christians who condemn you for being gay. Ask them for proof that they are interpreting the clobber passages in context and that those passages several thousand years ago were addressing the problem of gay partnerships, not temple prostitution.

And please understand, the only way you will know if they're giving you an honest in context answer is if you personally study this issue for yourself.

The bottom line - It is your responsibility to study. No one but the Holy Spirit can set your mind at ease on this issue. Until you read and study and put in the time and effort to learn the truth about the clobber passages for yourself, you will not have peace on this issue. The ball is in your court, the responsibility to study is yours.

1. How do you answer the verse that says homosexuals will not go to heaven?

2. Does 1 Cor 6:9 mean I can't be gay and Christian?

3. If you're a gay Christian does God still love you?

4. How do I answer verses which seem to condemn gays?
Feb 29, 2012
 The Bible Says This
by: Anonymous

ON HOMOSEXUALITY:
Leviticus 18:22 & 20:13
If a man also lie with mankind, as he lieth with a woman, both of them have committed an abomination: they shall surely be put to death; their blood shall be upon them.

Sodom - Genesis 19. Read this in the KJV Bible.

This one is too long to post the whole story, but to sum it up God destroys Sodom and Gomorrah because of homosexuals and other sins. Rick's answer: No, the Bible NEVER says that or anything like that. On the off-chance that you are interested in God's truth, please click on the Links and educate yourself.

ON Cross-Dressing:
Deuteronomy 22:5 "The woman shall not wear that which pertaineth unto a man, neither shall a man put on a woman's garment: for all that do so are abomination unto the LORD thy God."

A personal note on Cross-dressing: Guys might want to dress as girls because they have pretty things and heck some guys might think they are a female in a mans body. However, no man can imagine the pain of child birth or a monthly period or going through menopause. So, guys let the women have thier things back and stop cross dressing. It is kind of insulting to pass yourself off as a woman when you have no idea what being a woman means. Just as a woman has no idea of what being a man means.


The bible goes as far to not only call this a sin but an abomination.

You can not pick and choose parts of the bible to believe in. It's all or NOTHING. Ther is no such thing as a homosexual Christians.

Now you may believe in a god that is simular to the LORD in some ways that doesn't care if you are gay or not, but you aren't a Christian.

A Christian believes AND follows the written word. Anyone can believe in GOD, but that doesn't make you are a Christian.
Ex. the devil believes in GOD, but by no means is the devil a Christian

I'm not replying to be mean or negative in anyway. But to say you are a Christian is incorrect.

Your religion is different from Christianity and should be under a different name.

Your religion believes in a god simular to CHRIST THE LORD that doesn't care about homosexual behavior. The HOLY BIBLE time and time again goes into great detail of how being gay is a big NO NO. So, you can't be Christian, but rather something else. Rick's answer: No, you are making false accusations based on your own ignorance of scripture, rightly divided, 2 Tim 2:15.
Mar 02, 2012
 Sodom and Gamorah
by: Anonymous

If you believe that homosexual is not a sin how do you explain what God did to the city of Sodom and Gamorrah? He calls it an abomination. Those who go to Him and repent of their sins must turn away from their sin. To say homosexuality is godily is like saying a person addicted to porn can go to God say I am sorry forgive me, but still do it. Their excuse can be, "i was programmed this way." Doesnt mean what they are doing is right and will be rewarded in Heaven.

Rick's answer: If you are sincerely interested in truth, please watch this video and read this page about Sodom. Many thanks for your interest.
Mar 09, 2012
 Homosexuality and demons?
by: HK

"My wife and I work in the deliverance ministry... We've delivered many people from homosexual spirits. I myself was delivered of a cocaine spirit, lust and pride. I've seen hundreds of people delivered of different spirits, and it all started with my wife's deliverance..."
Mar 10, 2012
 Beware of deliverance ministries
by: Rick Brentlinger

Have you prayerfully considered the fact that you are the ones who are deceived by the devil? If not, I encourage you to consider that very real possibility. Asserting that gays are demon possessed and need to be delivered via exorcism through someone's deliverance ministry is not only unscriptural, it is insulting. I will not publish your deliverance ministry speculations because doing so would only cause confusion in the body of Christ.

Wise Christians will use spiritual discernment whenever anyone suggests they need a deliverance ministry to cast out demons. Are deliverance ministries scriptural? You may be surprised at our rock-solid answer which is faithful to the Bible in context, 2 Timothy 2:15.
Mar 16, 2012
 A little hate from Bryan
by: Judge Bryan

Lev 20:Leviticus 20:13 clearly states that homosexuality is a sin and for all you gay people that are too lazy to look it up; it says, “‘If a man has sexual relations with a man as one does with a woman, both of them have done what is detestable. They are to be put to death; their blood will be on their own heads."
There! It is such a bad sin that God required the Jews to kill all homosexuals in their culture! If you think oh well that just applied to the Jews then that is like saying that Deuteronomy 21:18-21 means that being stubborn and rebellious isn't a din because people don't stone their children anymore.-18If a man have a stubborn and rebellious son, which will not obey the voice of his father, or the voice of his mother, and that, when they have chastened him, will not hearken unto them:
19Then shall his father and his mother lay hold on him, and bring him out unto the elders of his city, and unto the gate of his place
20And they shall say unto the elders of his city, This our son is stubborn and rebellious, he will not obey our voice; he is a glutton, and a drunkard.
21And all the men of his city shall stone him with stones, that he die: so shalt thou put evil away from among you; and all Israel shall hear, and fear.
The Bible is not a grocery store! You cannot pick want you want to believe in it and forget the other stuff. If you want to be a Christian then you have to believe everything in the Bible.
Mar 16, 2012
 Wow Bryan! Hate much?
by: Rick Brentlinger

Hey Bryan, what about Lev 20:10? "And the man that committeth adultery with another man's wife, even he that committeth adultery with his neighbour's wife, the adulterer and the adulteress shall surely be put to death."

Do you have any adulterous people in your church, like Sunday School teachers or pastors or deacons or elders? Before you answer, please read what Jesus said in Matthew 19:9.

"And I say unto you, Whosoever shall put away his wife, except it be for fornication, and shall marry another, committeth adultery: and whoso marrieth her which is put away doth commit adultery."

Please let us know when to meet at your church to stone all the adulterers and adulteresses in your congregation. Many thanks!

P.S. I'm not sure how many we'll have to stone but if it's going to take all day, please let us know so we can pack a lunch.
Mar 18, 2012
 Is homosexuality a sin?
by: Anonymous

Hey. Adultary (which Rick rightfully pointed out) is just as sinful as homosexuality, theft, fornication etc. They are all sin, and all carry the death sentence (Rom 6:23). The question is, are we living in a repented state? Psalm 103 clearly shows us that our sin is seperated as far east is from west.. but this is conditional! We need to repent!

People that have committed adultary (or any other sin) need to repent of it, and they are forgiven. Note that the word "REPENT" means to "turn away from". Our Father in heaven forgives us!

The problem here is that homosexuals are not repenting, instead, choosing to live in sin.
Rick, let me ask you. Do you see homosexuality as a sin?
Mar 18, 2012
 Being gay is not like murder
by: Rick Brentlinger

Bryan, as you grow spiritually, I hope you will rethink your logical fallacies and dump your prejudice against your gay brothers and lesbian sisters. Being gay is not like being a murderer. That you think it is reveals the shallowness of your thinking. Being gay simply means that we are emotionally spiritually sexually attracted to the same sex as you are emotionally spiritually sexually attracted to the opposite sex.

Comparing it to being a murderer is illogical, thoughtless, unkind, shallow and far from reality.

Salvation and forgiveness of sins in the Bible is never based on changing one's sexual orientation.
Mar 18, 2012
 No kiddo, being gay is not a sin
by: Rick Brentlinger

@ Anonymous - I believe you are a bit confused, perhaps because you are a young Christian or perhaps because you haven't studied much.

It will be helpful if you study what repentance means in the Bible and what the Bible considers to be sin.

I do not understand why you feel free to condemn an entire group of people by saying, "The problem here is that homosexuals are not repenting, instead, choosing to live in sin." I hope the Holy Spirit convicts you of your arrogance and pride and leads you to repentance.

To answer your question: No, I do not see homosexuality as a sin. I challenge you to provide Bible verses, which, in context, say that homosexuality is a sin. The key point is, in context.

If you trot out the clobber passages which in context, are ALL dealing with temple prostitution, then you will have demonstrated that you have no scripture to support your opinion. At that point, you will face the decision: Do I continue to believe a lie or do I repent and start loving my gay brothers and lesbian sisters just as God made them?
Mar 21, 2012
 A loving God
by: Anonymous

I am not saying that homosexuality is right but I am saying this; Homosexuality is a sin just like any other and is treated just like any other. Gay people have no more of a chance of going to hell as any other sinner. What keeps you from going to hell is simply, plainly, and only your belief and love for Jesus Christ.

I'll also say this, if a gay person professes their belief and love for Jesus Christ and is still sent to hell than that goes against everything that God says. God is not going to let one of his children that loves him be trapped in hell forever simply because they are homosexual. They have sinned just like God said they would. And if he does send them to hell than he's not the loving God he claims to be.

I'm not going to try and twist God's word to make homosexuality sound like it's not such a bad thing, but I'm never going to tell a homosexual that they're not going to heaven simply because of their sexuality.

I believe and profess my love for God and Jesus Christ and therefore will spend the rest of eternity in Heaven with them. :)
Mar 23, 2012
 Jewish Law is not Christian Law
by: Amused

I am kind of shocked that no one has seemed to tackle the obvious problem with homosexuality(or even cross dressing or wearing mixed fibers or eating shellfish) being a sin or more correctly, an abomination. That being that all of these examples are from The Torah. The sacrifice of the Christ on the cross is supposed to be an end to Jewish Law. If you are a Christian you can't point to Leviticus and say "see, God said so!" because that was a different covenant for a different people at a different time which, per Christian doctrine, was abolished with the coming of Jesus. Jesus gave only two commandments, love God, and love people(some say the 10 commandments fall under these two but I'm not convinced). Now naturally if your only "law" is to love, then you are not going to do anything to hurt or besmirch God or people and while it is very simple it also can cover a great many ethical concerns. Homosexuality, cross-dressing, eating pork, etc. etc. has nothing to do with either of them. Jewish Laws were utilized to distinguish and seperate themselves from their Pagan neighbours, they were not eternal moral dictates. Of course, if you are a Christian, not being bound by Jewish Law due to Christ's sacrifice, you are even further distanced from it because there is no need to distinguish yourself from any nation since Christ's sacrifice is a universal one and unconditional. It would be really nice if people actually read their Bible as opposed to parroting a few hateful parts and regurgitating badly tranlsated versions. Study, learn! I mean, I know you call yourselves sheep and all, but don't act like it. Oh and btw...while you are studying...you'll notice that there is no Hell to burn in forever and that salvation is universal. Deal with it and stop the hate.
Mar 23, 2012
 to rick
by: bob

You are telling others not to twist the bible to further their own beliefs but you are doing that with all of your answers. Homosexuality is a sin that is a fact. No matter how much you wish it wasn't you can't change truth. You can ask Jesus to forgive your sins and go to heaven but if you ask him to forgive your sin of homosexuality then go and commit homosexuality again then you are pretty much spitting in his face.
Mar 23, 2012
 Still can't make a scriptural case, can you Bob?
by: Rick Brentlinger

You are incapable of citing any Bible verse which, in context, condemns two gay men or two lesbian women who marry and make a life together. So you rip verses out of context to "prove" your opinion and then accuse me of twisting scripture.

We're on to you Bob. You won't be able to get that past God at the judgment seat of Christ.
Mar 27, 2012
 Confused
by: Anonymous

Confused writes: "If a man also lie with mankind, as he lies with a woman, both of them have committed an abomination: they shall surely be put to death; their blood shall be upon them." Lev 20:13

I have trouble with this verse because it goes against "thou shall not kill" one of the basic commandments also it sounds homophobic.

Rick's answer: Please check out my shrine prostitutes page and notice that even virulently anti-gay Christians like John MacArthur and Robert Gagnon, admit that the context of Lev 18:21-22 and 20:13 is cult, temple, shrine prostitutes.

Confused writes: You be the judge, but remember "judge not less ye be judged" and there is human judgement and there is God's judgement.
Mar 29, 2012
 Demons or faith?
by: bibi

Rick's comment: No one in the Bible ever cast a demon out of a saved person. It is certainly possible for an unsaved person to be demon possessed. Did your uncle get biblically saved?

The Bible says nothing which leads us to believe there is a demon of homosexuality. It may be helpful to carefully read Are deliverance ministries scriptural?

About whether or not changing one's orientation is possible, Exodus International, the largest change ministry in the world, admits that orientation change is virtually impossible.

Bibi writes: I was reading and it cought my attention that the couple up the page said its a demon and you can be deliverd? I saw something that i do think was that. i have an uncle that would hide he has gay and of course we all knew ever since his early 20's his now 45 or so,but he wanted to be diffrent he wanted to change he said he was really tired to be like that. so at church during a good Holy spirit service he put his hands up high and was pooring his heart out he has crying and was talking to God in his heart or mind or soul not sure but he did something.

He doesnt go to church and it was his 3rd time visiting. The pastor prayed for him and he just sat down and didnt move or cry any more. next thing i know my cousin calls me because he wouldnt move then we all were praying i was praying and he fell to the floor and was moving wierd and speaking wierd not his voice it was a diffrent voice, then when we finished praying and people around him helped him up and started crying agian. but it was with joy he was so happy. he was hugging every one evry one he would see just huged them and said thank you thank you, church was over and my cousins were kinda scared moslty shocked, so he went home he lives 4 hours away from my city.

its been 8 months since that happend he no longer participates in a gay life. He says something happend that day and cant explain it. He says he now lives happier, feels diffrent in every way in his life. He now has a girlfriend. so now i do think people can change if they really want to and put the disier in there heart to do so. If they let God do that change inside of them like my uncle did.

Alot of things may not be in scripture and we may not understand but when God works in his way and people let him work things do happend. So can any one explain to me how was that possible alot of you say you cant change? or was it demon like that couple said? my uncle is a big testimony for all my family and friends. I love him to death.
Apr 16, 2012
 Jesus loves you - it's often hard to put him first
by: Anonymous

I want to say that I am sorry to those who have been hurt and damaged with harsh thoughtless and insensitive unloving comments.

Whoever you are, what ever your orientation Jesus loves you, don't let anyone tell you otherwise! No one is perfect but God. You are special, you are loved and God want you to be a part of "His" family.

I do not understand many issues, I can not imagine how it must feel to be told you are going to hell, especially if you love and believe in Jesus.

I can only go from personal experience of my own relationships; I have been in relationships that in my heart and head I always knew were wrong, they just didn't feel right in my faith. In the end I ended the relationships, which was always painful but I knew it was the right thing to do. Now I know the person I am with now is meant to be.

I have found that being a true Christian means you have to be willing to put Jesus first before everything, including who we get involved with in relationships - this is VERY hard - we may feel like the living sacrifices that the Bible talks about. Life is not always about God giving us an easy route or what we want. Being a Christian is about sacrifice and love.

So I say to those who are struggling or wondering about relationships and faith - let Jesus guide you. I always pray the prayer "Your will be done, not mine." This can be painful, some times it means we can't have what we want at the time. This is what happened to me on several occasions.

In the end Jesus knows what is best for you, He is totally in love with you and wants you to be blessed too. Always put Jesus first before every relationship. I have not included my orientation as I do not wish to categorize people or cloud judgements - I am just sharing some of my experiences as a Christian with you. May God Bless you.
Apr 17, 2012
 Sex with angels?
by: Anonymous

I hate to tell u this but u are wrong about sex with angels in the bible a man asked if we would still be married in heaven and Jesus said no we will be like the angels in heaven to me that mean sex will be no longer and it could also mean that angels have no sex organs... sex only exist because of sin to reproduce our self because we die.
Apr 18, 2012
 U disgust me
by: Anonymous

U gay sodomites, u disgust me, fact of the matter is that u cant be gay and be a christian. So u will go to hell unless u stop being gay. Eaither u will find out that I was right about what the bible sayd in heaven or hell.why.do think god destroyed sodom and gommera?huh?

Rick's comment: I'm assuming you had to crawl out from under your rock so you could find free wifi to post that. Hope the sunlight hasn't been too distressing for you.
Apr 18, 2012
 Homosexuality is a sin, God calls it an abomination!
by: Anonymous

I do not hate those who practice homosexuality, or who are transvestites, or cross-dressers, etc. etc., but I do know they are committing sin and you claim to be a Christian yet claim that homosexuality is NOT a sin when the Bible clearly states how God feels about this act. It is against His creation. Yes, He loves you and so do I with the love of Christ,

Rick's comment: Well which is it sweetie, do we disgust you (as you wrote in your first comment) or do you love us? Maybe you're giving us a twofer - 1. we disgust you but 2. you still love us?

but I do not condone the act of homosexuality and to simply agree with you and allowing you to twist the words of God around, would not only be an injustice to you, but would also be an injustice to others who read this website and are led down the wrong path.

Rick's comment: So you're only making these comments because you care so much about justice? Don't you care about truth? Do you love us enough to obey 2 Tim 2:15?

Now I know that this comment probably won't change your mind, only God and the love of Jesus Christ can bring conviction upon you for this, like he does with me daily.

A relationship with God, His Son, and the Holy Spirit is a daily walk. We have to continually seek guidance and wisdom so we don't fall into sin. Satan will always tempt us, but we have to choose to turn away from the temptation just our lord Jesus did (and he turned from sin as a man, a human just as we are, so that is the hope. He proved that we can resist the devil just as he did as long as we walk with the Father just as he did)
Apr 18, 2012
 BTW I didn't write "you disgust me"
by: Anonymous

I didn't write that comment about you disgusting me that was someone else. You are not a very nice person. You assume a lot. My name is Letitia and I did not write that horrible post above mine I suppose one of my other posts didn't make it on there.

Rick's comment: Letitia, sorry for thinking you made the, you disgust me post. When people post Anonymously, I have no way to tell who is who.

I didn't post your other comments because they are long and off-topic.
Apr 18, 2012
 Homosexuality is a sin, God calls it an abomination
by: Anonymous

My other posts were very much on topic and by not posting my 2 comment you cut off my defining of the last part of the first post. My post were the truth, which you seem to beg everyone for. As for not knowing who I was it should have been obvious in the difference in the way I write and the way the other anonymous person writes. I really wish you wouldn't withhold the truth in what I wrote. It's definite truth because I used the word of God and for you to call me ignorant on the first post when I used scripture makes me wonder if you think God is ignorant because those are his words on paper.

Rick's comment: Letitia, your ignorance is believing that the verses you quote do indeed condemn modern homosexuals. If you take the time to educate yourself by clicking on the Links I inserted in your comment, you would discover that those verses are not addressed to gay people. Instead, they were addressed to idolaters, most of them heterosexual. We know they were heterosexual because they were married with children.

So No, I do not believe God is ignorant. But when people take verses out of context and insist they apply to gays when they didn't refer to gays in context, that is ignorance.
Apr 19, 2012
 Letitia's final comment
by: Anonymous

I'm afraid ignorance is twisting the scriptures to justify your sins. The Scriptures apply to us today. God was clear on homosexuality, but that is why he sent Jesus, so that homosexuals wouldn't be stoned just as the adulteress want stoned in the comment you are determined not to post. There must not be anything for you to slander otherwise you would have posted it. And because Jesus died for our sins we can be REBORN into a NEW LIFE. We should no longer live in sin. By you denying that being, which goes against the way God made you and your body, you ate giving in to your fleshly desires and are still worshiping Molech, because if that is what that scripture refers, and yet applies to today then you are trying to worship two gods. Because you twist the scripture you choose to continue in your sin as Romans 6 tells us not to do. And you are crucifying my Lord all over again. You are slapping him in the face because you say "I accept you Jesus, but I want to keep doing what my flesh wants to do."

I also notice that you hardly every gave a straight forward answer to many of the comments above and you seem to delight in putting people down. I do not approve out this website, of course I don't approve of some of these people saying ugly things, including you, and I know because I do have Jesus in my heart and the Holy Spirit guides and is the one who gives me the compassion for people who are trapped in that lifestyle, I know that God is not please with the way you are twisting scripture and ignoring other scriptures because you want to justify your actions...

Rick's comment: Letitia, you seem to be a typical anti-gay Christian. You love to make accusations against gays while also accusing us of saying ugly things. You profess to "KNOW" we are living in sin yet you haven't managed to quote any verse which says that in context. Your self-righteous judgmental attitude is showing. In case you are interested, here is the Christian way to judge.

Meanwhile, you have not given one verse which in context, addresses the issue of gays going to hell. This is your fifth and final comment that I've posted and I've deleted another five or six so we'll hear no more from you. I do hope that at some point, you will get serious in your Bible study and serious in your Christianity. Doing so will radically change your life.
Apr 20, 2012
 Mutual Understanding?
by: Damon

Firstly I want to say God bless to everyone... Are you saying Homosexuality IS NOT a sin and is according to God's will based on his word or are you saying IT IS a sin but it doesn't condemn you to hell, because of the gift of salvation through the acceptance of his Only Begotten Son?

Rick's comment: I am saying homosexuality is NOT a sin - please read the website for more information on why it is not sin.

Now I'll tell you why I specifically ask this. My step sister is homosexual and has come out already... Never have I told her God has made a mistake in her creation or she is condemned to hell, just because she is gay, for who am I to judge?

Now despite your arguments, it is the widely accepted belief, homosexuality is in fact a sin and not in accordance to God's Will. KJV, NIT, NKJV, etc all mention sexual immorality in the same verses(because they are translations and not different interpretations in the true sense of the word), and by Nature Homosexuality gets thrown into that pot of sexual immorality. This has been taught for many years all through out the world, in more then just Christianity.

Rick's comment: But they can only teach that by ripping verses out of context and then insisting that the verses mean something they did NOT mean in context.

Now I've just brought personal belief, widely accepted belief into the fray, and this site provides your belief, and now only one thing remains. The Bible. Beside the original question I asked I would also like your take on this.

Thou shalt not lie with mankind, as with womankind: it is abomination. - Leviticus 18:22

Rick's comment: Here is the truth about: Leviticus 18:22 and 20:13

I have refrained from giving my opinion or any other opinion of this verse, to avoid falling out of context in anyway... Thank you for your time, and I hope to hear from you soon. God Bless.
Apr 20, 2012
 I know you don't care, but I'm asking anyway
by: Anonymous

One more question. Not that you'll answer, you are good at that. But what scriptures are actually taken into context? To me they are pretty straight forward. I don't know how you can read in between the lines so much. It doesn't matter what scripture anyone tells you, you always give them the same answer, "you are not reading those scriptures in context." Since you are changing the Bible up so much, you might as well change it from Christianity and discover a different religion to call it. Then again Christianity isn't supposed to be a "religion" it's a relationship.

Rick's comment: I have more than 650 pages of carefully sourced, precisely documented information online here. I carefully explain each of the clobber passages in detail and provide many links to other websites for those who desire to do more study.

The truth is, ALL of the verses used to clobber gays and lesbians ARE taken out of context because IN CONTEXT they do not say what the anti-gay crowd wishes they said.
Apr 22, 2012
 it SIN read your bible
by: Anonymous

STOP TWISTING THE WORDS OF GOD TO FIT INTO WHAT YOU THINK IT SAYS. IT SAYS WHAT IT SAYS -ITS SIN REPENT

•Lev. 18:22
•Lev. 20:13
•1 Cor. 6:9-10
•Rom. 1:26-28

Rick's comment: If you're not too busy, check the NavBar under, What The Bible Says. I answer your misapplication of these verses there.
Apr 22, 2012
 it SIN read your Bible part 2
by: Anonymous

Homosexuality is clearly condemned by the Bible. It goes against the created order of God who created Adam, a man, and then made Eve, a woman. This is what God has ordained as the normal means by which we carry out his command to fill the earth (Gen. 1:28). What God has set up is what is right -- not what sinful man sets up.

Rick's comment: Sadly, it has never occurred to you that some of us have studied these verses and issues far more than you. Instead of parroting what someone told you, why don't you perform due diligence by obeying 2 Tim 2:15. You'll amazed at what our loving Lord will show you.
Apr 22, 2012
 YOUR SICK
by: Anonymous

WHAT A JOKE YOUR SICK SICK SICK SICK SICK GET IT... IT SIN SIN SIN AND STOP TWISTING YOUR WORDS TO FIT WHAT YOU THINK IT IS..IT SIN AND YOU WILL PAY FOR WHAT YOU HAVE DONE JUST LIKE WHAT I HAVE DONE..BUT I REPENTED AND CHANGED MY LIFE ..STOP KIDDING YOURSELF YOUR A SINNER AND YOUR NOT LIVING IN GODS WORD BUT THE DEVIL AND YES YOUR A SINNER GOING TO THE BAD PLACE IF YOU DONT STOP..CHANGE YOUR LIFE STOP ACTING STUPID AND READ YOUR BIBLE ..STOP THINKING YOUR RIGHT...

IT NOT ABOUT THE FLESH IT ABOUT THE SPIRIT OF THE LORD YOU LIVE IN AND WHILE YOUR LIVING IN THE FLESH WHICH THATS WHAT YOUR DOING YOU WILL DIE AND DIE FOREVER AND THEN WHERE WOULD YOU BE...NO WHERE THINK ABOUT IT

Rick's comment: I edited some of your crude expressions because this is a family friendly website. I hope you will get psychological help for your anger issues.
Apr 23, 2012
 Yes Homosexuals will go to hell.
by: Anonymous

It says that clearly in 1 Corinthians 6:9 you wont enter God's kingdom. If you wont enter God's kingdom where else will you go besides hell? Also it says that in 2 Peter 2:20-21
that it would be better if you did'nt know Jesus than continue to do the sins you've done before you were saved.Whether your lesbian or gay it doesn't matter God adresses both. Romans 1:26-32.

Women who leave the natural use of man will BURN in their own lust towards one another. So will men. It is not my personal opinion that homosexuals will go to hell. It is what God has said and I stand ferm on his word. I'd also like to say that you can be forgiven if your a homosexual.But you will not be forgiven if dont honestly mean it! Trust me when I say that the only reason that you think your gay is because you have hole your trying to fill. Turn to God when you think all is lost. May God bless you and you find truth. Love, Anonumous

Rick's comment: No sweetie, 1 Cor 6:9 doesn't mention homosexuals in the original text that Paul wrote. What you believe, that 1 Cor 6:9 mentions homosexuals, is a belief only 54 years old. Most Christians down the centuries of church history have not believed that because it wasn't in the Bible until 1958.

Your problem is, you read a verse and assume that the first thought to pop into your head must be absolute truth. Contra that, God commands you to study, 2 Tim 2:15. When will you obey God's command?
Apr 23, 2012
 His Truth
by: Anonymous

Hebrews 10:26 will answer this question. God made Adam and eve, not Adam and Steve. God also destroyed sodom and gamorah because of sexuals sins (which include homosexuals) he says homosexuals will not enter the kingdom of heaven. My friend, repent! Jesus Christ will set you free. He loves the sinners but hates the sin. Amen. Don't listen to satans lies until its too late for you! Www.insightsofgod.com will be very helpful for you. God bless

Rick's comment: Don't any of you read and study your Bible? "God made Adam and eve, not Adam and Steve." Really, that silly oxymoron is your best argument? Why do you keep quoting 1 Cor 6:9 as if it means what you assume, without study, that it means?

For almost 2000 years, Christians who were NOT gay still did not interpret 1 Cor 6:9 the way you mis-interpret it. Did it ever occur to you to wonder why? Have you ever considered obeying 2 Tim 2:15? Anyone? Anyone? Bueller?
Apr 24, 2012
 The Word of God says you are wrong
by: Anonymous

Even the Orthodox Jewish Bible translates 1 Corinthians 6:9 as "nor effeminate call boys and homosexuals" "will not inherit the kingdom of God". And the King James says "nor effeminate, nor abusers of themselves with mankind" referring back to Leviticus.

Rick's comment: No honey, the word of God says I am right. You possess a finely honed ability to ignore reality while flogging your favorite hobby horse, your gay brothers and lesbian sisters.

What a strange mental anomaly you exhibit. Aren't you even slightly embarrassed by your refusal to study and acquaint yourself with the facts surrounding 1 Cor 6:9? Doesn't your spiritual laziness trouble you even a little bit?

The Greek word arsenokoitai was NEVER used to mean homosexual in the first six centuries of church history. I list the first 60 or so usages of arsenokoitai on my website.

Because arsenokoitai was never used to mean homosexual in the first six centuries of church history, it did not suddenly start to mean homosexual in the twentieth and twenty first centuries, regardless of your opinion to the contrary.
Apr 26, 2012
 did you reply?
by: bibi

i was really looking foward for a responds when i asked about my uncle being changed i wanted to know if that was not possible for God. or if you knew what trigerd that change in him? but i guess il go to another site that really knows the word of God you say its not scriptual to be seat free or if its a demond.

Rick's comment: No dear, I said that no one in the Bible ever cast a demon out of a saved person. You would like people to believe that homosexuality is caused by demon possession and I pointed you to information which contradicts your opinion - an article about deliverance ministries.

with this it is certin you maybe dont know what your talking about and maybe others are right. i didnt think it was off topic him being gay and all. i just thought some one was able to help out on the issue. God does make miricles and changes in people that really want it. Good bye!

Rick's comment: bibi- I did respond but you didn't like my response. I provided helpful links to additional information including a link about Exodus International. They claim to be the world's leading experts on homosexuality. And the President of Exodus International says 99.9% of the gays he has dealt with did NOT change. I hope you will read the information this time instead of ignoring it.
Apr 27, 2012
 Need I say more?
by: Anonymous

Now those who belong to Christ have crucified the flesh with its passions and desires. Galatians 5:24

Rick's comment: So you're saying that gays are not allowed to feel any passion or sexual desire in their lives yet folks who are not gay ARE allowed? Or are you saying saved people never feel any passion or sexual desire?

I understand why you would not associate your name with such a snarky opinion. To understand how dishonest and sex-crazed many heterosexual Christians are, check out this page.

Isn't it all about sex for you gays and lesbians?
Apr 27, 2012
 Do transsexuals/gays/biesexual/go to heaven
by: Anna

If you know that changing sex is the right thing to do deep down inside your heart and you trust and believe in god you will go to heaven. god don't make mistakes, he don't...

Rick's comment: Check out our views on Transgender Issues

some people can't help that they feel trapped inside the wrong body and that they are gay so I just try to help people out and help them feel the same way I would want to feel, happy and live a nice life god loves every one of us he made on this earth.

Rick's comment: And Yes, all who trust in Jesus, will be saved.
Apr 27, 2012
 You won't listen to truth because you have ignored God's word
by: Anonymous

Romans 1:25-28 They exchanged the truth of God for a lie and worshiped and served the creation rather than the Creator, who is blessed forever! Amen. For this reason God gave them over to dishonorable passions. For their women exchanged the natural sexual relations for unnatural ones, and likewise the men also abandoned natural relations with women and were inflamed in their passions for one another. Men committed shameless acts with men and received in themselves the due penalty for their error. And just as they did not see fit to acknowledge God, God gave them over to a depraved mind, to do what should not be done.

Rick's comment: No dear, we have not ignored God's word. Unlike you, we study God's word, 2 Tim 2:15, and believe it in context. In context, Romans 1:26-27 is about idolatry and using sex to worship false gods. Isn't it about time you started to study the Bible in context?
May 01, 2012
 im confused
by: Anonymous

im a 15yr old and i am extremely confused i have gone to a Christian school all my life and have been provided with the best opportunities and chances. I know the Bible back and forth and what it says. However i am still having sexuality questions i feel trapped and like I am going to hell either way. The Bible states in some way that if you sin in your heart it is as if you are actually sinning, I am always thinking about it and wanting it but I believe Jesus died for me.

For all the people who have never felt this way please let me try to educate you. I feel like Im something nobody wants

Rick's comment:God loves you and Jesus died for your sins so that you can have peace with God by getting saved.

I cant go to my parents because Im afraid to lose them, I pray and I dont feel like God is hearing or understanding me, I want to kill myself but cant because death and my eternity is what Im afraid and unsure of in the first place and I cant talk to a friend because Im afraid of losing them, I feel like Im all alone.

Rick's comment: Killing yourself is not the right answer. God has something much better for you than suicide. Your life WILL get better and you WILL find answers which satisfy your heart.

I know I love Jesus and he loves me but that doesnt save me I guess so Im letting people know how much I want to die and wish I was never born, its really hard and confusing but thinking is just as bad as doing. Someone, anyone if you really can be sensitive and help me with real facts let me know because I am at my breaking point. Thank you all.

Rick's comment: Please read this page for a message from the heart of a loving God.
May 01, 2012
 Just a question...
by: Anonymous

There are some very interesting interpretations I'm seeing here, on both sides. But my question is..So God said celibacy is okay and whatnot so we don't HAVE to get married etc, but isn't being gay a lot more than just being together and (sometimes) not getting married?

What about gay sex? As a gay christian, do you avoid having sex with your partner? Isn't sodomy wrong? I dunno but I don't think God would be too happy with this whole anal sex thing (male- female/ male- male). Please respond :)

Rick's comment: We provide Bible-based answers to questions like this on our Gay Christian FAQ
May 01, 2012
 so confusing
by: Anonymous

I dunno...the Bible may have been interpreted wrongly many times but there are simply too many references to the ills of homosexuality. What about Sodom and Gomorrah? (that word sodom ring a bell btw?)
Yet still i feel that if soeone does not act upon there desires they should not pay the price for it. But then again the Bible says that whatever a man thinks he has already committed... :/ How do we escape sin? We can't. Gay or straight we're all sinners and we all have a hard time getting away. What does the straight world think? If someone stops being gay they get a ticket to heaven? Ha. Hell, STRAIGHT ppl don't even have the ticket to heaven.
The better question is in my opinion...are all humans going to hell? Possibly and probably. We're all sinful and no sin is better than the other...so homos don't feel bad! We're all doomed :D And straight ppl...why don't you pick that plank outta your eyes...:P

Rick's comment: Explore the NavBar of this website. We provide answers and helpful context for questions like the ones you've raised.
May 14, 2012
 Is homosexuality a sin?
by: Robert W.

http://www.gty.org/resources/sermons/45-16/what-the-bible-teaches-about-homosexuality

Listen here and hear the truth! Homosexuality is a sin and can be forgiven! but not without repentance. Your site leads people to hell!

Rick's comment: Hi Robert W - thanks for your interest. As one who tiptoes around the TULIP of Calvinistic philosophy with John MacArthur, you are well aware that, according to MacArthur, the choice as to who gets saved has already been made by God and nothing on earth or on my website can affect that. But of course, you knew that when you made your snarky comment.

Nevertheless, I have edited two pages of my website and added a long quote on both pages, from the John MacArthur sermon you linked to. Much appreciated.

Homosexual Eunuchs

Shrine Prostitutes
May 18, 2012
 read before mindlessly citing anti-gay verses
by: Anonymous

the ignorance here - I can't even - it's like they didn't even look at the site

seriously guys,

there's a LOT of pages here and they mention ALL the verses in the Bible that people use against gays - READ THEM
May 18, 2012
 to the 15 year old
by: S H

i am very concerned about the 15 year old who posted on here a while ago. They were so confused and distressed. This is my message to you 15 year old.

I pray you will experience the Peace and Love of Jesus and that God will bless and guide you. I pray God may send people into your life that can support and love you. never give up you are precious. God Bless x
May 22, 2012
 But the Bible clearly states
by: Anonymous

1 Corinthians 6:9-11-states that homosexuals don't inherit heaven. Don't take it out of context.

Rick's comment: No honey, 1 Cor 6:9 does not mention homosexuals. That word didn't exist until 1900 years AFTER Paul wrote 1 Corinthians. Paul was describing temple prostitutes.
May 23, 2012
 Addressing prostitution and effeminate
by: Tish

NET Study Notes on I Corinthians 6:9 states:
A number of modern translations have adopted the phrase "male prostitutes"[I Cor. 6:9 (NIV, NRSV, NLT)] but this could be MISUNDERSTOOD by the modern reader to mean "males who sell their services to women," while the term in question appears, at least IN CONTEXT, to relate to homosexual activity between males. Furthermore, it is far from certain that prostitution as commonly understood (the selling of sexual favors) is specified here, as opposed to a consensual relationship. Thus the translation "passive homosexual partners" has been used here.

Plus the KJV states "effeminate...shall not inherit the kingdom" Effeminate is defined as "having qualities or characteristics more often associated with women than men; not manly. Greek: (of a man) unmanly or womanish." Many men who live the homosexual lifestyle often tend to be effeminate.

Rick's comment: Congrats Tish - you exhibit a remarkable ability to ignore truth while clinging to opinion. You did notice, didn't you, that the NET Bible only presents opinion in the quote you cited?

I present historical facts concerning the use of malakoi and arsenokoitai. The way those words were actually used in history is far more important than opinions which ignore how the words were used.

Well, at least that is true for folks who are more interested in truth than in clinging to opinions.
May 23, 2012
 My opinion is based on my relationship with God
by: Tish

Well Mister Rick, you and your sarcasm seem to know it all. And I'm afraid that you are very opinionated yourself, but only your opinion seems to matter. I notice in the cites you post such as the "shrine prostitutes" you quote other people who give their opinions. You only agree with the opinion of people who agree with your opinion. I know that my words are falling on deaf ears, but I pray that other people are not falling for your twisting of the scriptures. God help you, because you are helping others down the wrong path and you can be sure He is not pleased with what you are doing. He created us man and woman for a reason a holy and righteous purpose and you are saying it's ok to pervert God's creation. You are doing what your flesh desires not what the Spirit desires. The Bible is clearly for marriage, but a marriage between man and woman. Show me a scripture that says a marriage between a man and a man or woman and a woman is sanctified and righteous in God's eyes. Thank you.

Rick's comment: I presented facts from world-renowned scholars. You presented opinion. You approach the Bible based on feelings, without regard for what scripture says in context. It is impossible to reason a woman out of a belief she was not reasoned into.
May 24, 2012
 are opinions still opinions if the opinions are facts?
by: Anonymous

I'm just saying, these people keep hiding behind "well that's your opinion" if your "opinion" has been proven then is it really an opinion anymore or just a fact?
May 24, 2012
 Women aren't the only ones who think the way I think
by: Tish

You have it all backwards rick. My so called "feelings" are from the Holy Spirit in me. You can't read the word of God thinking with a human mindset, you have to read through the Spirit. You can't fully understand God unless you have the Holy Spirit to guide you and sounds to me like you are just focused on so called "facts". Not all of us were taught to hate homosexuals. The Bible doesn't tell us to hate but to love. Heterosexuals need to stop fornicating, just as prostitutes need to stop selling their flesh, just as homosexuals need to stop perverting what God has created us for. All of these are sexual immortalities and go against the Spirit and nature of God. We as born again believers shouldn't WANT to sin. Sexual immortalities seem to be Satan's favorite tool to trap God's people and those who are not part of the family of God. If we have the mindset of Christ then you won't want to do the things your flesh want to do, like fornication (sex before marriage) or homosexuality ( people of same sex have unnatural intercourse).Also you didn't answer my question. I wanted you to show me a scripture that sanctifies and honors same sex marriage.

Rick's comment: Again, you have ignored clear Biblical facts and context. Ignorance is not a fruit of the Spirit. Why do anti-gay Christians always follow the same pathetic protocol?

1. Repeating your false beliefs
2. Going by feelings, not Biblical facts
3. Ignoring Biblical facts
4. Ignoring Biblical context
5. Demanding scripture for gay marriage

David and Jonathan provide a chapter after chapter argument for gay marriage.

I have 650+ pages of helpful info on this website. If you really want truth, it IS available.
May 24, 2012
 Poor Response
by: Tish

So, you're saying that David and Jonathan were gay? Well sorry, but you have taken their friendship "out of context" as you always like to say. They were like brothers. There was nothing sexual in their relationship...

Rick's comment: Enough from you Tish. I've given you more than ample space to make your case. You have not done so. Bye bye.
May 25, 2012
 curious about Coming Out of Homosexuality
by: Anonymous

I'd been reading this book my dad sent me called Coming Out of Homosexuality (so far hasn't been very accurate at all compared to the information on this site)

there was a section that talked about "masculinity" and "femininity" as godly traits for men and women respectively. they said something about emulating the life of Jesus, and that if a man or a woman emulates His personality, then they would achieve their sense of masculinity or femininity, because (and I quote)

"There is a sense in which males who model themselves after Jesus will become more fully masculine, while women who model themselves after Jesus will enjoy a deeper understanding of their womanhood."

I'm asking, does this mean, based on what they were saying here, that Jesus was gender fluid?

Rick's comment: I doubt that is what Bob Davies is saying. He used to be the Executive Vice President of Exodus International. I'm sure your Dad is well-intentioned but to get a clear picture of what change ministries believe, it helps to read my page on Exodus International.

By the way, most of the people who have led Exodus International over the years including current leaders of EI, admit that the people they've known and dealt with and ministered to DID NOT change their sexual orientation.
May 25, 2012
 re: Coming out of Homosexuality
by: Anonymous

I figured he wasn't really saying that, but I found it kind of amusing

I am very familiar with the propaganda of Exodus International and how it's hurt so many people. I hope and pray that I'll never be forced into it
May 27, 2012
 Leviticus 20:13
by: ACH

Lev. 20:13 days be put to death not go to hell infact the jews did not believe in hell last time i checked Lev. is from the old testament written by jews so you are the one twisting it around bc the punishment for not following the ancient jewish laws was to be put to death not go to hell bc the jews do not have a hell.

Rick's comment: Hell is mentioned 31 times in the Jewish Old Testament. Our Jewish ancestors certainly did believe in hell. Hell in the Bible.
May 27, 2012
 Marriage
by: ACH

And i would like to add that the bible does not cite God as the originator of marriage infact it states in the bible that there is no marriage after the resurection. not once is it clearly stated in the bile that God created marriage. The argument most people use is Adam and Eve, but the bible never said they were married and Adam and Eves children would have to marry each other that would be insest wich is a violation of the laws in leviticus.

Rick's comment: The first human marriage in the Bible is described in Genesis 2:18-24. God made Adam and Eve. Jesus described them as a man and wife couple, Matthew 19:3-12.

The mistake many anti-gay folks make is to assume that the story of Adam and Eve negates every other kind of marriage relationship. That false view is called complementarity.

The children of Adam and Eve did marry each other for a certain period of time early in human history. 2600 years later, when God gave the Law to Moses, marrying close relatives was forbidden. During the lives of Adam and Eve, marriage in the Bible was much different than it is today.
May 29, 2012
 My two cents...
by: Anonymous

Youre probably not goin to care what i have to say but i encourage you to look up the word effeminate. In the NIV version of the Bible "homosexual offenders" wasn't replacing "nor abusers of themselves" as it says in the King James Version which you quoted. In fact, it replaces the word effeminate. An effeminate man is defined as "Having or showing characteristics regarded as typical of a woman; unmanly". I'm pretty sure you're going to somehow twist that to justify your life of continuous sin (we all know the saying "he hears what he wants to hear) but it is okay because one day every knee will bow and everyone will be judged accordingly. God bless you guys, I hope and pray that one day you wil open your eyes.

Rick's comment: Two cents grossly OVER-values your insight on this issue. Ignorance and laziness are NOT fruits of the Spirit (if you'll pardon the word, fruits).

1 Cor 6:9 contains two Greek words, malakoi and arsenokoitai which the NIV wrongly assumes to mean homosexual. Honestly, if you're too lazy to study and acquaint yourself with basic facts, don't expect us to applaud your ignorance.
May 30, 2012
 My two cents continued...
by: Anonymous

It doesn't suprise me that once again you are justifying your acts. But hey, thats what people do. And you still never really responded to my "effeminate" deffinition. And once again, (ive commented on these things before) you guys offend and beat me with your name calling. I'm pretty sure that my initial comment wasn't rude or offensive in anyway. I simply defined a word (that you used when rebuttling the question does the bible say homosexuals will go to hell?) Again, I did not offend you so I would greatly appreciate if the name calling would stop and even if it doesn't I won't retaliate to such because as a true christian I feel it was't needed or Christ-like. Once again God bless you.

Rick's comment: You did not define the word effeminate as it is used in the Bible. You gave a hackneyed interpretation of effeminate as it is used in the twentieth and twentieth first centuries, which has almost nothing to do with the meaning of the word in 1 Cor 6:9.

That is my point. You look up a word in an English dictionary and that is the extent of your study.

Name calling? Grow up! If you want to go through life being arrogant, ignorant and spiritually lazy, that is your right. But those of us who obey 2 Tim 2:15 have better sense than to view your sophomoric rambling as intelligent.

Ignorance and teaching false doctrine are not Christ-like.
May 30, 2012
 Romans 1:26
by: Elizabeth

The banter, hateful, attacking way your words are to those who show the truth of Gods Word, which is in opposition to your point of view, speaks volumes. You are not interested in allowing the transforming Spirit of God to come into your hardened heart so He can make you His handiwork. You are only interested in picking apart the Bible to justify remaining in your flesh and the lustful desires therein. Romans 1 :26 is clear what God "allows" to happen to those like you, that is not God condoning your free choice of a lifestyle, but your hardened heart is blinded by your lustful, unnatural desires so you see only that which validates your position. I will continue to love you as Jesus does and pray for your deliverance. I wish for you, and all like you to be truly free just as the Corinthians were freed when the pure gospel of Christ was presented to them. Praise be to God for His forgiveness, mercy and Grace!

Rick's comment: If you love God you will study His word in context. If you love us, you will teach the word of God in context. So far, you have not done that.

Instead, you present the blindness of your heart, using verses out of context to assault your gay brothers and lesbian sisters. And you do it in the guise of loving us.

Then, after accusing us of using hateful attacking words, you hatefully attack us with words like: (1) your free choice of a lifestyle (apparently WE have a lifestyle, YOU have an orientation), (2) hardened heart, (3) blinded, (4) lustful, (5) unnatural desires.

Have you no self-awareness? Are you really so obtuse? Apparently unaware of your arrogance, you have the hubris to call your attacking words, love. Your attitude is shameful.
May 30, 2012
 dear homophobes
by: someone who did their research

please read the Bible IN CONTEXT, not with a preconceived bias

there is nothing "unnatural" about homosexuality. it's not a "lifestyle," but an orientation toward the same biological sex. it's caused by a combination of biological and genetic factors during fetal development.

besides, if the Bible meant to say a man lying with a man is "unnatural" the original Hebrew texts in Leviticus would have used the word "te'bel" instead of "to'ebah" (which is talking about idolatry by the way).

Romans 1 is talking about the same thing: cult practices, so don't go around preaching something you haven't even bothered to study outside of your scarsely accurate English translations

PS: the Bible was written in Hebrew, Greek, and Aramic, not English
May 30, 2012
 My two cents continued
by: Anonymous

I think its really funny how every time you comment me back its with anger and name calling. Again, I have NOT called you by any names so I don't see why you are doing it to me.

Rick's comment: Am I become your enemy because I tell you the truth? Galatians 4:16.

Second, you are soooo "Godly" in your eyes yet you are constantly battling with me when all I did was give my opinion which is the point of the commenting section with NO offensive words or name calling.

And I was only defining the word effeminate because that is the word used in the KJV of the Bible that YOU quoted to justify yourself saying the NIV translation was wrong. Either way, I really don't care if you don't believe me or whatever.

But, on a lighter note, I am christian and I heard about the new Gay-friendly version of the Bible which basically changes all the heterosexual relationships mentioned in the Bible to homosexual ones. For example instead of Adam and Eve its now Adam and Steve, instead of Maria and Joseph its Maria and Josephine... What are your thoughts on this? ( Plain curiosity just would like to know your thoughts)

Rick's comment: The allegedly gay friendly Bible featuring Maria and Josephine was satire, a spoof, not serious, a joke. It never happened. It was never published. It does not exist in the real world.

Just wondering: Are Anonymous two cents and Elizabeth the same person?
May 30, 2012
 Effeminate
by: Anonymous

KJV Dictionary Definition: effeminate

EFFEM'INATE, a. L. effoeminatus, from effoeminor, to grow or make womanish, from foemina, a woman. See Woman.

1. Having the qualities of the female sex; soft or delicate to an unmanly degree; tender; womanish; voluptuous.

The king, by his voluptuous life and mean marriage, became effeminate, and less sensible of honor.

2. Womanish; weak; resembling the practice or qualities of the sex; as an effeminate peace; an effeminate life.

3. Womanlike, tender, in a sense not reproachful.

EFFEM'INATE, v.t. To make womanish; to unman; to weaken; as to effeminate children.

EFFEM'INATE, v.i. To grow womanish or weak; to melt into weakness.

In a slothful peace courage will effeminate.

effeminately

EFFEM'INATELY, adv. In a womanish manner; weakly; softly.

1. By means of a woman; as effeminately vanquished.

effeminateness

EFFEM'INATENESS, n. Unmanlike softness.

Rick's comment: For everyone interested in truth about 1 Cor 6:9, I have a short video and two excellent pages of information on the meaning of the Greek word, malakoi - 1, and malakoi - 2, which is translated effeminate in the KJV.

Thoughtful students of the Bible always factor in how Biblical words were used in their Biblical and historical context. If all you do is go to an English dictionary, you will often get the Bible wrong. 1 Corinthians was originally written in koine Greek, not English. Are you at all interested in how Jesus used the Greek word malakoi? If not, why not?

Are any of you willing to memorize and obey 2 Tim 2:15? Anyone? Anyone? Bueller?
May 30, 2012
 Human thinking vs spiritual thinking - I'm going with spiritual
by: Anonymous

Ephesians 4:17-32 NET - So I say this, and insist in the Lord, that you no longer live as the Gentiles do, in the futility of their thinking. They are darkened in their understanding, being alienated from the life of God because of the ignorance that is in them due to the hardness of their hearts. Because they are callous, they have given themselves over to indecency for the practice of every kind of impurity with greediness. But you did not learn about Christ like this, if indeed you heard about him and were taught in him, just as the truth is in Jesus. You were taught with reference to your former way of life to lay aside the old man who is being corrupted in accordance with deceitful desires, to be renewed in the spirit of your mind, and to put on the new man who has been created in God’s image – in righteousness and holiness that comes from truth.
Therefore, having laid aside falsehood, each one of you speak the truth with his neighbor, for we are members of one another. Be angry and do not sin; do not let the sun go down on the cause of your anger. Do not give the devil an opportunity. The one who steals must steal no longer; rather he must labor, doing good with his own hands, so that he may have something to share with the one who has need. You must let no unwholesome word come out of your mouth, but only what is beneficial for the building up of the one in need, that it may give grace to those who hear. And do not grieve the Holy Spirit of God, by whom you were sealed for the day of redemption. You must put away every kind of bitterness, anger, wrath, quarreling, and evil, slanderous talk. Instead, be kind to one another, compassionate, forgiving one another, just as God in Christ also forgave you.

Rick's comment: What a great passage of scripture! I'm with you! I'm all for spiritual thinking. Gay Christians ARE forgiven, ARE sealed unto the day of redemption.

Thanks for reminding us that bitter angry quarreling evil slanderous accusations against gay Christians are not Christ-like, are not edifying and such talk grieves the Holy Spirit of God.
May 30, 2012
 Repentance and forgiveness
by: Elizabeth

Like I said before, love for one another in its true form is not to condone sin as the Bible has made it known to us, it is through God's grace we are saved, through repentance and turning away from that sin, we are granted forgiveness...

Rick's comment: Enough anti-gay propaganda from you Elizabeth. I deleted most of your comment. We agree on the absolute necessity of getting saved but not on much else. I do hope that you will begin to study the Bible in context, 2 Tim 2:15, so that you can know the truth as it is in Jesus.
May 30, 2012
 after reading these comments
by: someone who did their research

Rick, I will say right now that I applaud you for putting up with this every day. you're truly an inspiration and I'm glad God led me to this site

these people are immature and they wouldn't understand the Bible if God told them the answers to their faces. they kind of remind me of the Pharisees who were so stuck up in their ways that they didn't even notice God in the flesh among them

keep up the good work and God bless
May 31, 2012
 Bible truth
by: Elizabeth

Nothing I said was anti-gay or propaganda Rick. As far as deleting most of my comment it shows you truly aren't interested in Bible truth, just comments that support your true agenda, to support your lifestyle and justify it. You are not interested in anything else the Bible has to say. That says it all. Your heart is hardened and anything I or anyone else that does not believe or accept your agenda is a homophobic hater who is attacking you and is your enemy. That is all that interests you. I won't throw anymore pearls your way least you trample them under your feet and turn and tear me to pieces.

Give not that which is holy unto the dogs, neither cast ye your pearls before swine, lest they trample them under their feet, and turn again and rend you. - Jesus in Matt 7:6

Rick's comment: You're not anti-gay and you're not a homophobic hater BUT you view gay people as swine? Really?
May 31, 2012
 Don't delete people's messages
by: Anonymous

I don't think it's right to delete peoples messages... Let them say what they want to say, then battle their opinions... I am a follower of gay rights but I also believe arguments need to be fair Rick. Don't delete posts.. I have been following this thread for awhile now and would like to know the full view of the antigay Christians.

Rick's comment: Sorry but I'm NOT going to publish the ignorant hateful mean-spirited spiteful rants of anti-gay christians. Most of them are so cowardly and intentionally mean, they will not even put their real name with their rants.

The www is full of that stuff. It is often filthy, almost always nasty and has no place in thoughtful discourse. This website is one of the few gay Christian websites which is Bible-believing, conservative, evangelistic and definitely NOT post-modern, definitely NOT emergent.

I'm not going to allow bigots, haters and ignoramuses unfettered access to GLBTs who are searching for truth and/or following Jesus as His disciples.

I post some anti-gay comments but many reflect angst, bitterness and a desire to wound. I will not post those.

And just for the record, Elizabeth's comment which I deleted was deleted because it taught false doctrine about salvation, not because it was hateful or mean, etc.
May 31, 2012
 Ephesians comment
by: Anonymous

My post earlier about Ephesians 4 was not meant to justify what you are doing. I was pointing out that you are thinking with a human mind. That is why you only read the Bible looking for facts.

Rick's comment: And yet, although you have never studied the verses in the Bible which allegedly clobber gays, you view yourself enough of an expert that you can condemn us as thinking with a human mind while you are thinking with a spiritual mind.

You might slip that sophistry past a baby Christian but those of us who have had our senses exercised by reason of use, Hebrews 5:14, are not so easily fooled.

Yes God does forgive but He also says to turn from that sin and when you go against what He has created and made for a purpose you have sinned.

As for Elizabeth, she did not call you a swine. You took her meaning and that scriptural meaning out if context.

Rick's comment: That is the dumbest thing you've written so far. Have you read Matthew 7:6? Elizabeth applied that to us at this website.

Give not that which is holy unto the dogs, neither cast ye your pearls before swine, lest they trample them under their feet, and turn again and rend you. - Jesus.

I guess I am too much like my mother. I do NOT suffer fools gladly.

You also mentioned to someone else to stop deleting comments that you are not going to post hateful anti-gay comments.

You called us bigots haters and some other hateful things and as far as I could see not all of the commentators were being hateful.

Rick's comment: The only people I called bigots haters, etc. are people who have posted or tried to post comments that fit that description. My, my, aren't you sensitive to be condemning your gay brothers and lesbian sisters and then throwing a hissy fit when you're called on it.

They didn't call you names they just stated their opinion, but your opinion of them is hateful. I'm seeing some contradictions in what you have said on this page and how you have reacted to people commenting.

Rick's comment: You are confused. I am terribly sorry for that. When will you obey 2 Timothy 2:15? When will you live up to your responsibility to deal with scripture in context?
May 31, 2012
 Ephesians
by: Anonymous

By the way your last comment calling us bigots, haters, ignoramuses sounds a lot like "slanderous talk"and sounds kind of "bitter and wrathful" toward the ones who haven't been hateful like Elizabeth and several others who have comment. None of us agree with the ones who have said mean things about gays, but you throw us in with them just because we have different beliefs.
May 31, 2012
 Ephesians
by: Anonymous

John 7:24 NET Bible Do not judge according to external appearance, but judge with proper (honest; Grk: righteous) judgment.

You have made it clear what kind of attitude you have toward people who don't think like you. Not once have I nor people like elizabeth, called you "ignorant" an "ignoramus" a "bigot" but you have no problem calling us those names. Yet you agree with Ephesians 4? Hmm.

Rick's comment: Did it ever occur to you that I am not called a bigot or ignorant or an ignoramus because I know what I'm talking about? Unlike you, I have studied the issues.

Paul tells us that if any among us claiming to be Christ followers, believers, who live in sin, then they are to be judged we are not to judge those outside the faith, but reach out to them in love showing them who Christ is.

Rick's comment: You come to this gay Christian website and judge us as being sinners living in sin. Yet you haven't studied what the Bible says about gays. You have no idea what you're talking about. You're as blind as a bat backing in backwards when it comes to gays and the Bible or marriage and the Bible.

And it annoys you that we don't meekly accept your pontifications or treat with respect your false beliefs which are based on ignorance and lack of study. If that is the attitude you take through life, you're in for lots of angst and disfunction.
May 31, 2012
 two cents
by: Anonymous

no were not the same person just wanted to see your thoughts. But I'm pretty much done trying to share my opinion with you since all you do is offend me. Thanks and God bless.

Rick's comment: Thanks for letting me know you and Elizabeth are not the same poster.
May 31, 2012
 You'll never know the truth in this thread
by: Elizabeth

None of what I said in my deleted comment was hateful, gay-bashing, or inappropriate, or attacked anyone. It was simple, in context, loving, and factual quotes from scripture, but I guess none of you following this thread will ever know for sure. You will only have the one sided bias opinion of one man. God bless you all in your search for truth and Gods perfect peace.

Rick's comment: Just for the record Elizabeth, your post had false teaching about salvation. That is why I did not post it. My other remarks described the content of posts that I deleted because they were not worthy of being online.

Do you really view gay people as swine?
May 31, 2012
 dear anons
by: concerned

please shut up. you're being so immature. don't try to play the victim when it's YOU who attacked Rick's site in the first place

stop acting like children and grow up
Jun 01, 2012
 R
by: Anonymous

Ok listen. Some people in the world believe that liking/loving the same gender is wrong, immoral, a sin, ect. But two things that you guys don't seem to realize is that one there is someone out there for everyone so just let them be happy with there boyfriend or girlfriend as you are with yours. Also, people sin all the time and no one cares. Why? Because it doesn't concern you. It's not hurting you. If your straight, the gays & bisextuals aren't trying to get at you. And if it wasn't for the fact that some people are open about there sexuality we wouldn't know one way or another. Just leave them be. There not hurting anyone.
Thank you for listening, a concerned person.
Jun 01, 2012
 Elizabeth says I took her words out of context - do you agree?
by: Elizabeth

No Rick, I do not consider gay people to be swine, again, you have taken out of context what I have said, as you have done with the scriptures.

Rick's comment: Elizabeth, you presented no in context scriptural argument to support your views. And I took nothing out of context. You are the one who free-quoted Matthew 7:6, where Jesus says not to cast your pearls before swine. In no way did I take your statement out of context.

When God ordains someone to represent Him and His gospel, He holds that individual to a higher standard of strictness when sharing it with others. Paul in all the letters he wrote to the churches talked about this extensively. Romans 16:17-18 says "Now I beseech you, brethren, mark them which cause divisions and offenses contrary to the doctrine which ye have learned; and avoid them. 18 For they that are such serve not our Lord Jesus Christ, but their own belly; and by good words and fair speeches deceive the hearts of the simple." and 2 Timothy 3:13 says "13 But evil men and seducers shall wax worse and worse, deceiving, and being deceived." You have taken the gospel and perverted it to support your agenda.

Rick's comment: So untrue, so unloving, so sad. You haven't even bothered to acquaint yourself with the cultural doctrinal historical and religious context of the verses which you feel condemn gays. And from your lack of knowledge, you condemn.

Since this message will probably be deleted as before when I spoke quoted word of truth that exposes you for what you are, this is for you. Repent and turn away from what you are doing. God will not be mocked. I have initiated a prayer vigil for you, that you might be delivered, and those whom you are misleading will have their eyes open to who you are and be able to receive the real truth of the gospel and the freedom it holds for them.

Rick's comment:In 2011, 12 people wrote to let me know they repented and got saved after reading the gospel on my website. So far in 2012, 4 people have written to let me know they repented and got saved after reading the gospel on this website. Since the number of people who contact a website after getting saved is around 1% I believe we are reaching many more people with the life-saving gospel of Jesus Christ every year. Our total number of readers in May 2012 was over 56,000 in 180 countries.

Again may God give everyone who truly seeks an understanding of God, find the truth and peace He has for you.
Jun 02, 2012
 hell in the old testament?
by: ACH

While i do know hell is mentioned in the old testament, the jewish torah which christianity started from, does not believe in a hell and they do not beleive in an eternal form of punishment they believe in Olam Ha Ba and Gehenna, it is believed that the word for hell in the old testament is mistranslated based on the fact that the jews do not believe in an eternal punishment for sins, your link only showed kjv, idk if you looked but niv bible does not have hell in the old testament

Rick's comment: Jesus was God in the flesh, 1 Tim 3:16. The law came from His hand, Exodus 31:18, Luke 11:20. Jesus in His earthly ministry affirmed Jewish belief that hell is real by mentioning it 20 of the 23 times hell is mentioned in the New Testament.

That the NIV does not have hell in the Old Testament is a good reason to get a much more accurate Bible, the old KJV. Discover what else the NIV left out at: NIV leaves out lots of truth.
Jun 03, 2012
 The doctrine of hell is progressively revealed in the Bible
by: ACH

Exodus does not give any punishment besides being put to death, why is that? because the jews do not have a hell. The books written about the life of Jesus are not eye witness accounts, to me it does not make sense that God/Jesus would create hell and not create a word for it but instead use a pagan word. it is impossible to know what he really said because the books written about Jesus's life are not eye witness accounts. The KJV contains many mistranslated words thats why they create new bibles because they discover new translations for words that they did not previosly know the best translation for.

Rick's comment: ACH, three of the four gospels, Matthew, Mark and Luke, were written by eye-witnesses and two of those, Matthew and John, were integral parts of Jesus' earthly ministry.

Mark is probably the young man who fled naked in Mark 14:51-52. So while he was not an integral part of the ministry of Jesus, he did personally observe Jesus.

Luke may not have been an eye-witness of Jesus' earthly ministry although the record of history is not absolutely clear on that. Some Christians believe that Luke was one of the 70 called and sent by Jesus, Luke 10:1ff. Luke is the only writer of a gospel who mentions the 70.

If Luke was one of the 70 then he too was an eyewitness of the earthly ministry of Jesus. It is important to remember 2 Tim 3:16-17, that all scripture is given by inspiration of God so that we can trust what the Bible says.
Aug 08, 2013
 You are ignoring what the Bible says in context.
by: Assam

How could someone that has done so much studying be so wrong?

By the way, did you know that "hell" is nothing more but the grave?

Rick's comment: Jesus differentiated between hell and the grave in Luke 16:22-23. Please read that over and over until you notice that the rich man's body was buried in a grave but according to Jesus, the rich man's soul was in hell. Hell is not the grave.

Here's a FREE Bible study for you: Jesus teaches Hell 101.
Aug 12, 2013
 Maybe Not
by: Bobby

However, it does say we should kill homosexuals. Bottom line is that it's all barbaric and outdated.

Rick's comment: Bobby, the context is not homosexuals. The context is shrine prostitutes - people who used same sex rituals to worship false gods.

Whoever you are, whatever you are, don't fear religions; don't be afraid to be yourself. If a Christian denomination won't accept you based on your sexuality, they don't deserve you or any followers for that matter. If you really want a church, then find one that is accepting. Nobody can control your religious beliefs. Freedom of religion and freedom FROM religion are key things in this country. We should fight to maintain them.
I'm an atheist and I got all kinds of crap from religious people when I first came out as such. I am also straight, but fervently believe in equal rights. Don't be afraid to be yourself, and tell people who you are.

Rick's comment: Bobby, the love of God extends to you through Jesus dying on on the cross for your sins. Salvation is available as a free gift from God to all who will receive it, Romans 5:17, 6:23.
Aug 12, 2013
 Removed my information huh?
by: Anonymous

I gave you proof that hell is nothing more than the grave and you did not post it. Interesting.

Rick's comment: No Kiddo, you gave me opinion based on your own delusion. Nothing you wrote was factual, which is why I didn't post it here.

How can I get saved?
Aug 22, 2013
 I need answers! I seek help
by: Anonymous

Okay so time to look up if gays go to hell because I am one. my mother has asked me if I am homosexual for the past years but I deny it because I have hope that I soon will have a change of feelings but it's not happening! I don't want to go to hell!

I don't even go to church! I want to though. I want to pray my sin off but I'm scared of being caught since I don't pray very often. I plan on going to a straight camp to become straight. I will do anything to change my sexuality! I just want to be normal and have a happy family. Why was I chosen to be gay? I want to change!

I get made fun of for being gay and that has made me what I am now. I am cruel, evil, mean. This, and I lie! This is what gods gift has made me! I'm full of anger and depression. I'm in need of your help please!

Rick's comment: Thanks for commenting. This website exists to point people to Jesus as their Savior from sin and to explain what the Bible says and doesn't say about being gay. This link is a good place to start.

How to know FOR SURE you are saved.
Aug 24, 2013
 very good read
by: Chris

thankx for your insight on this topic, very helpful
Aug 25, 2013
 another one led astray
by: Anonymous

You let lead another one astray with your false teaching. I am glad I am not in your shoes.

Rick's comment: I get that a lot. Don't any of you bother to read and study the Bible before you comment? I hope you are aware that ignorance is NOT the fruit of God's Holy Spirit. You do know that, don't you?

In the future, before you criticize a man, take time to walk a mile in his shoes. That way, when you criticize him, you're a mile away AND you have his shoes!
Aug 25, 2013
 ...study the Bible
by: Anonymous

I actually have studied the Bible in extreme detail, Hebrew included.

Rick's comment: I hope you will keep studying and keep seeking truth.
Aug 30, 2013
 Demons of homosexuality?
by: Alexandra

What is your opinion on this matter - deliverance from demons of homosexuality in this case? Thank you and God bless you, in Jesus Name!

Rick's comment: Nothing in the Bible supports the belief that there are demons of homosexuality. In the Bible, no one ever cast demons out of a born again Christian. Yet religious fakirs allege that they cast demons out of believers in Jesus.

Click on the link and read the article several times. It contains lots of very helpful information. Also, please look up the verses, Acts 17:11. Many thanks!

Are deliverance ministries scriptural?
Aug 30, 2013
 Yes, Christians need deliverance
by: Anonymous

I have personally witnessed demons being cast out of born again Christians. I watched as a minister friend of mine performed it on Christians friends of mine. I have witnessed the the demons speaking forth from their mouths in English and ancient language. So you can't say that it is fake. The Bible also talks about this, yet you will say it does not because it is against your belief.

Rick's comment: No dear one, you have not personally witnessed that. You are confused or deceived. What you claim to have witnessed is completely contrary to what the Bible says. It is dangerous to ignore the Bible and then base your beliefs on experience.

May I encourage you to MAKE SURE you are saved by the blood of God's Lamb, John 1:29, by reading the gospel of salvation at this link? Many thanks.

What must I do to be saved?
Sep 07, 2013
 What does sexuality have to do with sin?
by: Translate

I do not see one verse in the bible that a person's sexual relatedness is any what relative to sin at all. If a woman / man has no sexual interest whatsoever in the opposite sex, how does that make them a sinner and doomed to hell...

I have a newly translated Galilean Aramaic translation with 1 Cor 6:9 and it is translated as 'child molesters' not homosexuals. Where is homosexuality mentioned in the 10 Commandments? And what were Christ's Commandments, Love the Father with all your heart, soul, mind and body; love your neighbor (which mine translates as 'best friend' as yourself) and love your enemies...

The point is, It is by Grace in Faith you are saved and not by works, so that no human being may boast...

The word homosexual didn't exist at the time the Bible was written; try reading up on Homosexuality during the times of the Romans. Paul was dealing with all types back then, including what we call today "New Age Spirituality" What has been will be again and what will be has already been.
Sep 16, 2013
 Thanks - Must Read
by: Anonymous

Hi, I'm turning 18. I was starting to hate my self for being homosexual, and feel disgusted, for keeping on trying to change and fail. It got to a point were I got depressed and started to wear a mask (a fake smile, fake happiness.) I even thought about maybe jumping of a bridge, heart broken and uncertain of what to do.

I searched for answers and found them, but this is just one site so I did more research while reading this and found lots of proof of the
mistranslation in 1 Cor 6:9 and more. I can finally live with myself.

Found a scripture for all Christian homosexuals, gay, lesbian, etc., being mocked and feeling rejected. Galatians 1:10 English Standard Version

"For am I now seeking the approval of man, or of God? Or am I trying to please man? If I were still trying to please man, I would not be a servant of Christ."
Sep 18, 2013
 I wouldn't
by: lex

Idk if it's wrong or not but I am gay. In Lev 18:22 when I interpret it, I will never lay with mankind AS I would lay with a woman because I'm gay. So i will never lay with a woman.

Rick's comment: I see your point yet the context of Lev 17:7, 18:22 and 20:13 has nothing to do with being gay or lesbian. The context is shrine prostitutes worshiping demonic false gods and goddesses.

What must I do to be saved? That's a question everyone must answer.
Sep 20, 2013
 wrong
by: morris766126

all homosexuals who do not repent and continue having same sex relations WILL BURN IN HELL
any one who says different is a lie and does not have Christ in them.

Leviticus 18:22 - Thou shalt not lie with mankind, as with womankind: it [is] abomination.

1 Corinthians 6:9-10 - Know ye not that the unrighteous shall not inherit the kingdom of God? Be not deceived: neither fornicators, nor idolaters, nor adulterers, nor effeminate, nor abusers of themselves with mankind,

Leviticus 20:13 - If a man also lie with mankind, as he lieth with a woman, both of them have committed an abomination: they shall surely be put to death; their blood [shall be] upon them.

Romans 1:26-27 - For this cause God gave them up unto vile affections: for even their women did change the natural use into that which is against nature:

Rick's comment: Morriss766126 - Well aren't you a fountain of cheer. LOL. If you are interested in truth, click on my NavBar for an in-context explanation of the verses you cited.

Your views about who will burn in hell are wildly unscriptural and strangely at odds with what Jesus said when He taught Hell 101.
Sep 21, 2013
 At Odds?
by: Jeff

At odds with what Jesus said? Incorrect. I have studied Hebrew and Greek and the Bible is very clear that a life style which we now call homosexuality is a sin and an abomination which will stop you from entering Heaven.

On the other hand, people should not be hated. Hating is wrong and also a sin, yet not an abomination.

Rick's comment: It seems a frequent claim lately, by folks who want me to post their comments, that you have studied Hebrew and Greek and based on that study, you know that being gay is a sin. Yawn. No facts, no verses which, in context, say that yet you want us to accept your assertion as gospel truth.

When I got saved and filled with the Holy Spirit, I fell in love with Jesus AND I also began to love the truth of God found in the written words of God.

May I kindly suggest, you would be better off if you stop commenting on gay Christian websites and instead, use your time to obey 2 Timothy 2:15? If you have not yet memorized that verse, please do so immediately. Many thanks.
Oct 05, 2013
 ACTUALLY
by: Allie

1 Corinthians 6:9-11 (and ive read several translations and they all mean the same thing.)

Leviticus 20:13

1 Timothy 1:10

Romans 1:26-28

Hebrews 13:1-25 Focusing on "God will judge the sexually immoral and adulerous." Not you or anyone on this site.

And its odd to me that you judge other Christians when they are simply following what the bible says.

Rick's comment: No Allie, actually they are ripping verses out of context and then insisting that the out of context verses mean something they did NOT mean in context. Doing that is dishonest.

And no, maybe the bible doesnt name homosexuality as a sin. It does however call it an abomination. There are no grey areas, no loopholes. If God calls it an abomination it is an abomination.

I do believe that homosexuality is an abomination. I do beleve that its sin. However I also believe that you are responsible for your lifestyle and your personal relationship with Jesus.

Rick's comment: In context, the Bible never says that. You ignore context because you prefer: (1) not to think and (2) not to study your Bible.

Romans 1:32 "Though they know Gods decree that those who practice such things deserve to die, they not only do them but give approval to those who practice them." God Bless You, regardless.

What must I do to be saved?
Oct 05, 2013
 Aramaic, Hebrew, Greek
by: Ted

Aramaic, Hebrew and Greek. It is plain as day in all three that same sex relationships are a sin. Period. Nothing is being taken out of context as you say, you simply can't admit it because you need a way to justify your life style.

Rick's comment: Being a low information Christian is nothing to be proud of Ted. No Bible verse in Aramaic, Hebrew or Greek condemns two gay guys or two gay gals when read in context.

You and your low information friends must rip verses out of context and then insist that the out of context verses teach something they do not teach in context. That is your modus operandi - rip verses out of context and then obfuscate.
Oct 06, 2013
 Leviticus 18:22 isn't talking about homosexuality
by: Shane

To previous commenters: if Leviticus 18:22 and 20:13 were a condemnation against all homosexuality in every context, why did the latter use two different words for "man" and "male"?

Verse 20:13 says a "generic man" (iysh) must not lie with "specific man with a special purpose determined by the context" (zakhar). If it was really against homosexuality why didn't it say something like "iysh lying with iysh and ishsha lying with ishsha is an abomination"?

This is literally the only law in the Old Testament that mentions anything same-sex. Would Paul invent a new law in Romans and 1 Corinthians and 1 Timothy that says "oh yeah and gay people go to hell" that was never referenced before? Wasn't he a Pharisee who knew the Law really well and knew not to change it?
Oct 13, 2013
 repent and ask jesus for mercy
by: me

all gays and lesbians will burn in hell. the bible is clear on that so stop fooling yourself that you go to heaven, yes you will go to second heaven where you father satan is.

Rick's comment: Umm, okay, that's an odd comment.
Oct 27, 2013
 Quote the verse and explain it in its context
by: A mom

(nor effeminate) What does this word mean? having or showing characteristics regarded as typical of a woman; unmanly. This too is in the KJV 1 Cor 6.9 where does this fit into your righteous contempt for biblical saying that homosexuals are going to heaven in their sin?

Sin is sin repent yes, but if you are going to keep living the lifestyle then you are not truly sorry therefore what a waste of time it is to repent if you are just going to keep doing it.

Rick's comment: What malakos means in the Bible.
Oct 27, 2013
 God Resists the Proud
by: Mom

Homosexuals refuse to submit themselves to the authority of God. The lifestyle is one of defiance against the pure and perfect will of God. I don't need to bash use foul words to tell you that they are those who are rebelling against Him. It's called being blinded by satan.


Romans 1:27-29 in the King James Version (KJV)

27 And likewise also the men, leaving the natural use of the woman, burned in their lust one toward another; men with men working that which is unseemly, and receiving in themselves that recompence of their error which was meet. 28 And even as they did not like to retain God in their knowledge, God gave them over to a reprobate mind, to do those things which are not convenient; 29 Being filled with all unrighteousness, fornication, wickedness, covetousness, maliciousness; full of envy, murder, debate, deceit, malignity; whisperers,

They may not be able to help how they feel, but it is because of the number one sin PRIDE... 1.James 4:6 - But he giveth more grace. Wherefore he saith, God resisteth the proud, but giveth grace unto the humble.

Rick's comment: I don't think it's unreasonable of gay Christians like me to expect you to study before you attack us. Clearly you have not studied the clobber passages. May I kindly encourage you to study Romans 1 in context? Many thanks for stopping by.
Nov 01, 2013
 great resource
by: Sarah

Please read an article written by John MacArthur, who is known for seeking Biblical truth, link below. Great resource for this topic. God's Plan for the Gay Agenda according to John MacArthur

Rick's comment: I agree with John MacArthur on some issues BUT on the gay issue and on Calvinism and Lordship salvation, I disagree with him. That said, I provide in depth answers to all of the clobber passages on this website. Click any link on the NavBar under, What The Bible Says.

John MacArthur admits in his books and online, that the real context of the clobber passages is cult shrine temple prostitution, which is radically different from being gay or lesbian. By the way, Phil Johnson also admits those truths. It is odd that good men like John and Phil, who are usually careful to exegete scripture and focus on context, choose to ignore context on verses used to clobber gays.

I hope you have enough courage to read the truth on this website instead taking some-one's word for it - be like the Bereans in Acts 17:11. Many thanks for stopping by.
Dec 02, 2013
 Gay men
by: jack

Unfortunately it says in the Bible "man shall not lie with man as with a woman. it is abomination". Thats pretty clear.

Rick's comment: Hi Jack - PLEASE dear readers. Promise me you will NEVER say that at the airport.

Fortunately, some of us obey 2 Tim 2:15 and study the Bible instead of assuming that the first thought which pops into our head when we read a verse MUST be true.

May I kindly encourage you to move beyond surface impressions about the meaning of Bible verses? Instead of assuming that you are so intelligent that you know what the Bible means without ever studying it, how about reading, memorizing and obeying 2 Timothy 2:15?

It's up to you, of course but it will make your life better when you obey God and delve deeply into His inerrant infallible word. Many thanks for stopping by.
Dec 07, 2013
 The way and truth
by: Rev.Johathan w Bowlin Sr.

This has been one of most misdirected answer's of God's word I've ever seen,One thing is true the bible never said that you could not be saved if you have lived such a life stle, that's for sure but if you do not turn from this way of living(repents)then yes you WILL be lost,people forget what happen to Sodom & Gomorrah in Genesis chapter 19,For their sin was so great God destroyed them because of it,the apostle Paul even wrote in Romans chapter 1 verse 24-32 that they were worthy of death because of it being consider wicked in the eyes of God,James said in chapter 4:17 that if you know to good and do it not then it's sin,God didn't want us to keep living in the sinful way (Romans 6 and verse 2 he said that how the we are dead to sin live in sin,God doesn't want us to keep living in sin that's why we repent and change our way of life to the way he wants us to be,it's God's will not our on and if we expect to make it we have live according to his way not ours, and he says we must change then that's what we must do,I pray that if anyone reads this before it gets deleted by someone that you would be more open to God's word and not bye mans get yourself an old King James Bible not know new NIV but get an old bible and before you even open it up fine you a place and pray and ask God for the truth either way and be open to his way,fast and pray like you've never had before and I believe if you do these things he"ll show you everything you need to know,God bless you all.

Rick's comment: Rev. Jonathan, may I encourage you to do more study than you have done. God never puts a premium on ignorance. Many thanks for stopping by.
Dec 09, 2013
 Truth Sets You Free
by: Sheena

I have read NET, KJV, WEB, ASV and NIV old and new versions of Bible, all have the same meaning that homosexuals will not inherit God's kingdom. I would ask you to read succeeding verses of 1 Corinthians 6:9 to make it clear to you, especially 1 Cor. 6:12-20 about sexual immorality and 1 Cor. 7:1-2.

"There is a way that seems right to a man, but its end is the way of death." (Proverbs 16:25) Things are not always what they seem. Proverbs warns us that we can be deceived into believing we are going down the right path and yet be heading toward death and hell, the opposite direction from God's will.

People will do what makes the most sense, based on our own wisdom. But what looks attractive may actually lead to sin, ultimately destroying what is precious to us. "Sin packages itself so attractively that we are lulled into thinking that it cannot really harm us" (2 Cor. 11:14-15)

God is absolutely just. He loves, and forgives, but He does not compromise His righteousness. God deals with us uniquely. God will forgive us of our sin, but He may provide stark reminders of the ugliness of sin like He did to Paul.

Rick's comment: Sheena, your statement leads to a false conclusion. "I have read NET, KJV, WEB, ASV and NIV old and new versions of Bible, all have the same meaning that homosexuals will not inherit God's kingdom." There are many problems with your view.

1. The Greek words malakoi and arsenokoitai were rarely, if ever used to mean homosexual.

2. Homosexual is a modern cultural construct. It was not a word or a concept people used in ancient times.

3. Paul did not use any word which meant homosexual in his writings.

4. It is arrogant and sinful to inject the word homosexual into any Bible verses, since that word was never used in the Bible.

5. Comparing five or six translations of the Bible and assuming you know what a verse means, is not studying the Bible.

6. Bible study requires getting to know the biblical cultural doctrinal historical linguistic literary and religious context, just for starters.

7. The crowd is usually wrong, yet on the gay issue, without really studying, you have decided to go with the religious crowd.

May I kindly encourage you - take time to do a lot more study before you condemn us based on false information? Many thanks.
Dec 24, 2013
 Genesis 1:27
by: Hal

God made Adam and Eve - not Adam and Steve.

Rick's comment: LOL - Merry Christmas to you.
Dec 27, 2013
 So called Christians crack me up
by: Nikki

Do all of you so called Christians practice what you preach? If you are going to church, studying the Bible and yet scam, lie, cheat, steal, live with a man or woman co-habitating bringing forth children in a relationship and all the while being neglectful of your children and fellow man, and mean as a rattlesnake all week but get to church on Sunday singing Hallelujah in the choir doesn't make you an expert.

Because that is what matters, the condition of the heart. How do you treat your fellow man? Even though someone is gay, do you show them kindness and love? How they live is not for you to judge. Quit worrying about someone else's backyard and go clean up yours. Y'all are the biggest hypocritical gossipy extremely prejudicial people on the face of Earth, and unhappy with your own lives because you know and see your shortcomings but are afraid to take your own blinders off.

I know I must pray and I do realize my shortcomings. Stop trying too pick on those society looks down on. Look at yourselves in the mirror. You point a finger at others, scoff, and make fun of others' struggles. Try recognizing that it is the condition of the heart that matters. As long as the person is saved why do you care how others live. All of those men that Jesus were around were not the best of the best. They still continued to struggle with their own issues even after being baptized and following Christ.

I believe it was Peter who denied Christ as the cock crowed, forgive me if I have mentioned the wrong name. I am no Bible thumper and do not proclaim to be unlike you so called Christians who come to this site to verbally beat up on others who are picked on and looked down on by society. But I guess he is on his way to hell because the Bible states that Christ says if you deny him, he will also deny you to the Father, right?

Well, I see that same man, Peter, has a book in the Bible named after him, and no one is questioning whether or not he is really going to heaven. Go fix yourselves first and clean up your own backyards.
Jan 03, 2014
 Your incorrect translation
by: Gary Kukis

There are dozens of Greek scholars out there. One of the best lexicons is by Thayer, who says of the word in question:

G733 ἀρσενοκοίτης arsenokoitēs Thayer Definition:

1) one who lies with a male as with a female, sodomite, homosexual

The narrow definition which you give it does not occur in any of my Greek textbooks (and I have an extensive collection). Your narrow definition is self-serving and has no application to today (also problematic).

Rick's comment: Hi Gary. The problem with translating arsenokoitai with our English word, homosexual, is that NO ONE in the first six centuries of church history used arsenokoitai with that meaning.

That meaning also makes arsenokoitai include lesbians and no one in church history used arsenokoitai when speaking of lesbians. Homosexual also excludes heterosexuals who engage in same sex activity.

Thayer's lexicon is not the best. Thayer was a Unitarian, who denied the deity of Christ and the Trinitarian godhead. His aberrant views impacted the truthfulness of his lexicon.

Your problem is, you are unable to admit that a sin is a sin. All believers are tempted; some of them with various sexual temptations. Such believers do not go out of their way to excuse their own personal temptation.

Salvation is clearly by faith in Jesus Christ, no matter what. But, after salvation, there is day-to-day fellowship with God. 1John1:9 tells us that "If we admit our sins, He is faithful and just to forgive us our sins and to cleanse us from all unrighteousness." Here is your basic problem: if you are a Christian and refuse to admit a sin is a sin, then how will you get back into fellowship?

Rick's comment: No Gary, my problem is that I will not allow you or anyone else to assume facts not in evidence about the meaning of words. And then, based on your opinion instead of facts, you attack gays and lesbians.

Did you bother to click on any of the text links in my article? I have not proposed any new doctrine or any private interpretation. My views on arsenokoitai are the views of Christians for almost 2000 years. Your views on this issue do not reflect the views of our spiritual forebears. You're retired now so may I kindly encourage you to do more in depth study? Many thanks.
Jan 04, 2014
 As Usual, Rick is 100% correct
by: Ted

As usual, no matter what evidence or facts that are given, Rick is always right. I guess Rick is the only person on the planet that is 100% correct in all of his Biblical beliefs.

Rick's comment: LOL, Ted, so far you folks have presented no in context facts, no in context evidence. Some folks refuse to study yet expect the rest of us to honor your baseless opinions. Sadly for you, post-modern illogic is always a dead end street.
Jan 10, 2014
 sexual immorality
by: mom_of_6

Sexual immorality is a sin. It includes, homosexuality, adultery and sex before marriage (fornication). Ephesians 5:5 says, "For you may be sure of this, that everyone who is sexually immoral or impure has no inheritance in the kingdom of Christ and God."

Rick's comment: Hi mom_of_6 - Are you aware that no Bible verse equates being gay with sin or sexual immorality? People who believe otherwise always take a few verses out of context in their attempt to make them say what they wish they said.

If they left the verses in context, it is clear that none of the verses they love to quote against gays and lesbians is talking about being gay or lesbian. In context, no Bible verses says anything negative about being gay or lesbian.

Will you prayerfully read the information under the NavBar heading, What The Bible Says? God has joyful information about this topic which will bring peace to your heart. Many thanks for stopping by.
Feb 18, 2014
 Question
by: Bill

So if a paeodophile is saved, he then doesn't need to change his sexuality?? ...I dont think so!!

Rick's comment: Hi Bill - please think before you comment. Thinking keeps your blood pressure from shooting up. Being a pedophile is not a sexual orientation. It is a paraphilia.

GayChristian101 is against pedophilia.

What must I do to be saved?
Mar 06, 2014
 citation please
by: David

Where is the proof that arsenokoitai doesn't mean homosexuality? ESV also says it is, and that is a very literal translation. Where is the source for this mistranslation?

Rick's comment: The article contains text links. Those text links about the meaning of arsenokoitai and the links on those pages provide the documentation you seek. Many thanks for stopping by.
Apr 22, 2014
 Jesus is the only way to heaven
by: Kenny

The only way to be saved is through faith and not of works. But there is a difference between Jesus as Saviour and Jesus as Lord.

All I can say is after being truly saved I want to try and be what is pleasing to Jesus (who loved me enough to be beaten to a pulp and die for me on a lonely cross) whether that involves giving up certain things or abstianing from certain things. All I want to do is what's pleasing to him and not what's pleasing to myself.

Jesus as your Saviour happens the minute you beleive and are repentent of your sins. Trying to make Jesus as Lord is a life time of work.

Rick's comment: Hi Kenny - we teach that salvation is by grace alone through faith alone in the Lord Jesus Christ alone. Works have absolutely nothing to do with getting saved or staying saved. Here is how to get saved.

We are not Lordship salvationists nor are we Calvinists.
Apr 23, 2014
 Can't change
by: Kayla

I'm 15 years old and I'm quite certain that I'm a lesbian, and I know there is no way to "pray the gay away." I was born like this, it's what I'm attracted to. If god made us in his own likeness, and is supposed to love everyone of us, then why would he not love me?

What's the point of creating gay people if they will be sent to hell anyways? I think we are just not quite sure, because one quote says il be stoned, the next says god accepts everybody, why are you judging us anyways, pretty sure your not supposed to do that either. I know the quotes, and I understand that the heterosexuals wouldn't understand the homosexuals. I can't blame you for that, and god will probably forgive you for that, but if i really am going to hell then why can't you guys at least leave me with my hope.

Rick's comment: Hi Kayla - here is my Bible study: Jesus teaches Hell 101, so you'll know what Jesus believes about hell.

it is SO easy to know for sure you are saved. Once you know for sure that you are saved, trust the Holy Spirit to show you His truth as you read the Bible. Best place to start is the New Testament.
May 18, 2014
 prayers for all
by: regina

Rick, This is off your subject! I will pray for all on this page. God is good and he is our judge. When it is our time to meet our father, then we will see who goes where considering we all our sinners one way or another.

With that being said do you know where we can get the Greek and Hebrew transcript? We would love to get a copy!

Rick's comment: Hi Regina - you can freely access the Hebrew text of the Old Testament and the Greek text of the New Testament online at http://www.blueletterbible.org

Hebrew - English and Greek - English Interlinears in book form can be found at amazon.com
May 21, 2014
 What is your take on gluttony ?
by: Emma

As I read your replies and teaching on gays and lesbians not living in sin, I am curious what is sexual sin in your perspective and what do you think of gluttony? Is it a sin ? If so what makes it a sin?

You use quite a bit of outside resources to back up your interpretation of scripture, but what, if you don't mind me asking are examples of sin you do deal with? Do you have a struggling sin right now? In other words, how do you work out your own salvation?

John 15 tells us of the importance of remaining in The Lord. How do you remain in Him ?

As you consider your walk, is the fruit of The Lord evident in your life? We can't muster self -control or patience or love up ourselves, only the power of the Holy Spirit can do this and it happens as we repent of our sinful ways. My caution to you and anyone else reading this information is absolutely unrelated to sexuality! Instead, I speak on the heart- if we as Christians who claim that we have salvation thru Christ and that He lives in us fail to hear Him when He tells us the way to righteousness, our conscience becomes more and more quieted to wrong.

If you do feel The Lord has given you a true peace about your eternity with Him, understand the Kingdom of God is now in the hearts of those who believe. If you are not experiencing such fellowship and communion, please do not hesitate to search your heart of the sin He does bring to your heart and repent! Christ died for our sins that we might repent regularly of food idolatry ( what I am facing right now!), pleasing people, materialism, whatever it is repent and turn to The Lord that you might experience abundant life NOW!

Rick's comment: Hi Emma - My ministry has lots of enemies so I don't share personal information beyond what is on my Coming Out page.

On gluttony, it seems to be a predominant problem in western society for many reasons: fast food, high fructose corn syrup, too much sugar, too much refined flour, too many gmo products in the food chain, not enough exercise. I would Google gluttony for more info.

It may be helpful to your spiritual life to read and study my series on justification by faith and what happens when you get saved?
May 23, 2014
 I think you misunderstood
by: Paul

Hi Rick, I think you misunderstood a word's definition "eunuchs", that definition isn't meaning a gay person.
The actual definition is a man who has been castrated, especially (in the past) one employed to guard the women's living areas at an oriental court.

Rick's comment: Hi Paul - I refer you to these pages for in depth info about eunuchs. Your view is incorrect.

Homosexual Eunuchs

Same Sex Attracted Eunuchs

I also have to say that sin does separate us from God, and not just homosexuality. I believe that all sexual sin in general is one of the hardest sins for a person to overcome, especially in our western society. I personally have had a sexual sin addictions in my life for almost 18 years, it wasn't until I turned to God for help that he started to give me proper sobriety.

Rick's comment: The apostle Paul says, Once we are saved, NOTHING can separate us from God, Romans 8:38-39.

Jesus speaks with the adulterous woman (John 8:1-11) about her sexual sin, and he tells her "go, and sin no more" - this is very important, Jesus is forgiving her sins, and then tells her to sin no more. This is difficult task, and will require God's help, but that is the point - turn away from you sin and draw nearer to God.

Matthew 19:4-6 King James Version (KJV)

Did Jesus define marriage as only between a man and a woman?

My personal testimony

Justification by faith

Thank you, Paul
Jun 04, 2014
 Thank you for helping me understand
by: gus

I lI've in a small town with about 600 people. I go to church every sunday and i was so afraid i was going to go to hell when i relized that i was gay because that's what they always teach on sundays.

And it gets hard being stuck in this town with no way out, stuck with people who say amen and praise god when the pastor says something against being gay. I can count on one hand the number of people who know and even they don't really understand and i just want to say thank you because this really helped me .

Because i love god and i was so afraid that i was going to hell simply because I'm gay its gotten to the point where I was praying that god would fix me, you know, make it where i feel about girls the way that i feel about guys. So thank you. this helps so much and it was comforting to know that in the large scale of things i wasn't the only one who was worried or scared and that I'm not alone so thank you so much.

Rick's comment: You're welcome. I'm glad we can be a blessing to you. Have you considered moving to a more gay friendly place, like southern California or Wilton Manors, FL or?
Jun 08, 2014
 Homosexuality is a serious sin
by: Rolando

God has and will always and forever and ever be the same. Homosexual is a detestable offense to God!!! Don't let anyone from this age fool you? They only hear what there etching ears want to hear.

Rick's comment: Hi Rolando - I hope that someday soon you will stop getting your exercise by jumping to conclusions. Listening to mp3s of the Bible while you jog or drive to work would be better for you, as long as you always remember to interpret scripture IN CONTEXT, 2 Timothy 2:15.

On the gay issue, it is clear that you have never really studied it. How about doing more study before you draw a conclusion? Many thanks.
Jul 15, 2014
 YOUR WRONG with this WEBSITE!!!!!
by: Kastyn

1 Corinthians 6:9-NIV - Or do you not know that wrongdoers will not inherit the kingdom of God? Do not be deceived: Neither the sexually immoral nor idolaters nor adulterers nor men who have sex with men

New American Standard Bible - Or do you not know that the unrighteous will not inherit the kingdom of God? Do not be deceived; neither fornicators, nor idolaters, nor adulterers, nor effeminate, nor homosexuals,


SMH. this comes directly from the bible. email me-if you would like to learn more, or converse in a friendly, and organized manner.

Rick's comment: Hi Kastyn - one of the first lessons of Bible study is: Do not assume the text means what you think it means.

That is because often, your first impression is wrong. If you're interested in truth, these pages provide truth about

Malakoi and 1 Cor 6:9

Arsenokoites and 1 Cor 6:9

How do you answer the verse that says homosexuals will not go to heaven?
Aug 28, 2014
 What is meant by effeminate?
by: adam

"Know ye not that the unrighteous shall not inherit the kingdom of God? Be not deceived: neither fornicators, nor idolaters, nor adulterers, nor effeminate, nor abusers of themselves with mankind (arsenokoitai)," 1 Cor 6:9, KJV

What is meant by EFFEMINATE?

Rick's comment: Hi Adam - Effeminate, from the Greek word, malakoi, is defined on my Define malakoi page.
Sep 03, 2014
 I'd give anything
by: Trevion

Well, I guess since I'm not sure where to start, I'll just start with this. My name is Trevion, I'm a 20 year old male, I just turned 20 two weeks ago on August, 13. I confessed to my pastor yesterday that I was gay and. well the answer I got was the answer I expected.

Before I go any further, let me just say that before I confessed, I was truly happy with my life. After I graduated highschool in the top 10% of my class, I was excited to go to college, get into my dream career, and live out the rest of my days feeling happy and free.

It never really took much at all to make me happy. I didn't need fancy clothes, cool technology, lots of money, or even too many friends to feel happy and loved. I knew that God loved me and that was enough to feel me with so much Joy that my heart overflowed with it, and all I wanted to do was share that love with everyone.

If i could list out my one true desire, it would be to find true love. True, commited, deep, passionate, honest love. And throughout my life, it's been that desire that's been my sole driving factor.

I was willing to hit the gym and make myself stronger, so that I could protect the one I cared about, and let him know that he was safe. I was willing to let go of anger and frustration for the sake of living a loving and preaceful relationship.

I was willing to endure long hard hours of study, so that I could make more money, and be able to take care of that person, and give them a long and happy life. Just thinking about each of these things was enough to put me to bed with a smile on my face, because I knew that, no matter what happened, I woudl always have this deep love inside me, and that God would always accept me, so long as I loved him too.

But yesterday, when I talked to the pastor, I found out that I was living a lie. I could never know the pleasure of a loving and committed relationship. I was damned right from the start, and now, the only way for me to be saved is to endure a life full of pain.

I cant recall ever having felt a pain as deep or sofocaitign as the pain I feel right now. When I found out that I couldn't be gay, I didn't just lose my sexuality, I lost my whole reason for living.

God has been angry with me since I was a child. Since I can trace my gay feelings all the way down to when I was two years old. I didn't know it was "gayness" then or that It was wrong, but I definitely remember feeling something then, and lookign back, I have no doubts about what those feelings were.

The deep well of love that i once shared with everyone has gone dry. I used to love my life, now I wish my soul could just dissapear. I used to have hope for my future, now I cant feel happy about anything. I could win 10 million dollars the next day and it wouldn't mean anything.

If the very love i felt was evil, then I cant go on loving again. And as much as I wish I could feel something ANYTHING for the opposite sex, and go on living that way, the feelings just aren't there.

I spent yesterday curled up in a ball of pain, crying out for God to help me. Becasue, right now I just cant see myself finding joy in this world anymore. If i'm completely honest, i would've considered commmiting suicide if I didn't know that I'd go straight to hell if i did it.

So right now I feel trapped. I'm doomed to live on this earth where the pain will never stop. And if I do decide to endulge these feelings that I used to have, I'll have to witness the person I love more than anything else suffer for all eternity in hell.

I'd give anything if the bible were written just a little bit differently. If, maybe i'd have been born a female. I'd give anythign to be able to share my love with someone else.

Right now I feel like I've been trapped by my own faith.

Rick's comment: Hi Trevion - In Jesus there is help and joy and peace for you in the midst of the storm. God gave you a brain and a Bible because He expects you to use both instead of farming out the responsibility onto your pastor. The links contain the info you need to bring peace to your heart.

First thing to do is: Make sure you are saved. I'm not talking about joining a church or going to confession - getting saved is the real issue here.

Second, once you know for sure you are saved, it helps to understand what happens when you get saved. God has a purpose for you and for your life. Are you willing to spend some time discovering God's purpose for you?

Third, once you understand what happened when you got saved, it helps to understand how long you are saved for. Is your salvation temporary or eternal? Being gay has absolutely nothing to do with being saved.

Fourth, my Gay Christian FAQ answers lots of questions about gay relationships and is it okay to be gay. God has something He has already planned for your life, Ephesians 2:10. You can trust Him to work out His plan in your life as you walk with Him.

My website also has lots of helpful FREE Bible studies so you can grow in the Lord - check the NavBar for the FREE Downloads page. And Trevion, please keep in touch and let me know how things are going for you.
Oct 07, 2014
 Sodom and Gomorrah
by: Caleb

Not to beat a dead horse, but everyone wants to say God destroyed Sodom because of homosexuality. Why doesn't anyone ever mention the part of the story where Lot offers his two virgin daughters to all of the men of Sodom to rape instead of the angels who came to destroy it! That's not a sin?!

It seems a bit odd to me that Lot would think that okay. So many want to focus on the so called homosexuals; "all the men from every part of the city of Sodom both young and old". Were ALL the men in Sodom really gay?

Was Lot the only straight guy? What about the two guys who were supposed to marry the virgin daughters he just offered to ALL of the men in Sodom? The whole story is just a bit questionable and quite possibly has nothing to do with homosexuality at all.
Nov 05, 2014
 truth
by: joejack

Someone convinced the masses that Gays were beyond saving and they were indeed condemned to hell. Many people quote the Bible but have never read it through or managed to understand it. In the Bible it clearly states that a sinner that does not accept Jesus as their lord will go to hell, no matter what the sin is.

Nowhere in the bible does it say if your gay you go to Super Hell, or if you murder, drink your life away or let drugs consume your life you can still go to heaven but if your gay you can't. These hateful who claim to be speaking in the name of God really need to look inward and ask themselves if openly lying about Gods will is really a smart thing to do, and what do they think Jesus would think of them if he was before them while they spit venom from their mouth proclaiming its in the name of the lord.
Dec 01, 2014
 I have been struggling with my sexuality
by: Kiyana

I have been struggling with my sexuality thinking i'm straight when i'm not. I'm bisexual and proud. My former girlfriend who I just broken up with said she doesn't wanna be this way scared she won't go to Heaven I said the same thing. But it just didn't feel right at all. Until my sister talked to me said you can't change your sexuality it's who you wanna be. I love the Lord very very much and have did bad things and I repent for doing all of the things. God Loves us for the way we are no matter what we are.

Rick's comment: Hi Kiyana - The first thing to do is, MAKE SURE you are right with God by getting saved the BIble way.

The second thing is to commit to being a biblical disciple of Jesus by reading and obeying the Bible, especially the New Testament.

The third thing to do is, learn what the Bible says about the hot button issues anti-gay Christians keep harping on. A great place to start learning is my Gay Christian FAQ. God bless you Kiyana as you walk with Jesus - it's an adventure like no other.
Dec 29, 2014
 DEARRRRRRR rick
by: William

i am very glad you know the truth of god i talk to him everyday and i will be honest he even made my own angels now get this rick if gays go to hell can i ask why after having soo much faith in him and accepting him in all my heart and soul and spirit my prayers have been answered and why would an angel tell me he wants me by his side ill tell you this rick the ones that think they will make it to heaven by judging others theyre the ones bringing hell to the earth and theyre the ones getting told by satan to say this they just dont know it oh and get this, if gays to hell, why would i have a great relationship with god and start seeing angels fly around me everyday but wait thats not all rick the ones who judge - thats not theyre call thats god, and also get this rick - god loves you oh and get this, gays go to hell lesbians go to hell cause the bible says it is a sin - isnt that why he died for us why when ive asked him and prayed to change.

i'm still gay getting all my prayers answered hmmmmmm you know i believe the devil is talking through those kinds of people cause he loves to cause fear in those, yeahhhhh thats what it is the devil using people and making god loook like a bad father. i can definitely say the devil has them for sure he wants them to cause hell on earth which is why people judge gays so hell can be caused you know its pretty simple judging people. who are you to judge us and say burn in hell thats the devil talking definitely not gods kind loving words. people that judge make me sick theyre misunderstood souls who are lost in hell on earth they just dont know it and saying may blood be spilled on those who do this or something like that.

thats right judgmental keep giving out the word of god make him look bad and terrible he will definitely enjoy taking great care of you to help you realize how the devil uses such harsh words in people and they dont even know it its sad what a pity people are go on keep making jesus look like an unforgiving father - im sure YOUUUUU judgmental christians will make it to heaven only to be told thou show shall not judge.

Rick's comment: Hi William - thanks for commenting. You may enjoy reading these links and sharing them with others.

Jesus teaches Hell 101

What must I do to be saved?
Dec 30, 2014
 THANK YOU!!! SO FULL OF GRACE!!!
by: Rainbow Rachel xx

Dear writer, I stumbled across this article because I am of bisexual orientation and I have a nineteen year old girlfriend. I had originally google searched, is it still a sinful relationship since we engage in no sexual activities because she is 3,000 mis away on the east coast and I'm in the Midwest. But I found this, so intriguing as to answer the question: since I'm homosexual, do I go to hell? This article stirred me to tears for it was literally the most loving, Grace- filled, non- condemning thing from a Christian site I've ever read. I'm a huge fan of Joseph Prince, and part of the Grace revolution, and this is what I have prayed for. Someone to be a city on the hill for hurting and questioning LGBT people. Thank you for your sweet spirit and in depth explanation of mistranslations. My girlfriend and I will definitely be relying on this to defend our love!

Rick's comment: Hi Rachel - thank you for your sweet comments. I appreciate you! May God bless you and your girlfriend as you "walk in the Spirit" (Galatians 5:16) and live for Jesus every day.

What must I do to be saved?
Jan 09, 2015
 My belief
by: Anonymous

Those werent misinterpretations. That is the bible. I love all people including homosexuals but i do believe that they are going against gods word. Romans 6 explains that it is wrong to keep sinning just because you are saved by grace. If you do this you are a slave to sin and sin leads to death.

Rick's comment: Why don't you anti-gay folks ever STUDY your Bible? In Romans 1:24 and 6:19, Paul uses a Greek word which has for more than 2000 years, denoted someone who was a shrine prostitute. Here are the facts.

What does the Greek word akatharsian mean in Romans 1:24?
Jan 09, 2015
 I just don't understand ;(
by: tiffany

I am not a homosexual I am married and have been for 10 years I have four children as well. My problem with this whole subject is the fact that we argue a point in which is not out point to argue. When did god give us the right to say hey your wrong and going to hell I can't fathom how he is shaking his head at this world in dispair! I mean honestly we all have sinned in someway or another whether it be big or small no sin is justified! I don't think it is a sin to be born homosexual I mean I was against it in all honesty until I came across lbgt youth suicide because of anti gay bullying I mean is that what we have come to they are kids for crying out loud I do not know nor will I say I do know very much about the bible but do we really think that is what god wants from us as a race? To teach our innocent children that they are not good enough because of their sexual attraction? If you are crazy enough like I was to think its a choice then next time you see a lonely person do not for any reason tell them they will find love tell them to look at a man/woman and no matter who how or what they are be attracted because you can choose!?! Yeah stupid right its not a flipping choice its genetics its how they are born!!! So stop trying to speak for god and say how he feels because you just look stupid and to all teens and children and adults of the lgbt nation keep your head up be strong and carry on one day all pain will subside and happiness and love will come alive walk tall live strong and above all just keep holding on!!!!
Jan 14, 2015
 you are wrong and misleading people
by: nessie

Leviticus 18:22-29New International Version (NIV)

22 "‘Do not have sexual relations with a man as one does with a woman; that is detestable.

23 "‘Do not have sexual relations with an animal and defile yourself with it. A woman must not present herself to an animal to have sexual relations with it; that is a perversion.

24 "‘Do not defile yourselves in any of these ways, because this is how the nations that I am going to drive out before you became defiled. 25 Even the land was defiled; so I punished it for its sin, and the land vomited out its inhabitants. 26 But you must keep my decrees and my laws. The native-born and the foreigners residing among you must not do any of these detestable things, 27 for all these things were done by the people who lived in the land before you, and the land became defiled. 28 And if you defile the land, it will vomit you out as it vomited out the nations that were before you.

Rick's comment: Hi Nessie - Thanks for citing those verses. The context of those verses is shrine prostitutes. Even anti-gay conservative Bible scholars agree with gays on that. This page explains it and provides precise quotes from guys like Pastor John MacArthur.

What were shrine prostitutes?
Jan 28, 2015
 You are so wrong
by: J

You shall not lie with a male as with a woman; it is an abomination to God. Leviticus 18:22 male and female where created for each other. Your nothing but a false prophet who lies and brakes people's faith in the end days that we live in now. You will be punished even more then a person who kills by God.

Rick's comment: LOL - Hi J - you are SO sure you are right that you won't put your name with your comment? Haha. Time to buy a clue or find some courage or something.

What must I do to be saved?
Mar 11, 2015
 I KNEW IT!!!!
by: Yasmine

I knew that the bible didn't say anything about homosexuals not going to hell, wow, what a relief, I'm not homosexual, but I am completely not against it, I actually think love is a beautiful thing given to us by God, so we should give it to everyone, when I would hear people say that gays go to hell, I would always wonder were did they hear that, then people started saying that it's in the bible, so I looked for it, and it wasn't there, so how can someone's love be considered evil, you know what I mean, thank you for writing this page.
Mar 13, 2015
 Awesome
by: Johnny Fry

This was just awesome. I think you are doing God's work by letting people know it is ok to be gay. That they can still love the Lord and go to heaven. You have given me a great peace. I thank you.

Rick's comment: Hi Johnny - just so there is no confusion - the way to eventually get to heaven is to get saved by grace alone through faith alone in the Lord Jesus Christ alone. That is God's way of dealing with sin. Jesus took God's wrath against our sin upon Himself, dying AS US FOR US, paying the death penalty for our sins.

Jesus' death on the cross satisfied the demands of God's law, so that when we trust Jesus as our Savior, God has a legal basis to forgive our sins (because Jesus already paid for them), save us, give us the righteousness of Christ as a free gift and take us to heaven when we die.
Mar 29, 2015
 My interpretation
by: kait

I am a heterosexual Christian. I'm not a Bible scholar so it's certainly possible that I have read many verses out of context. But I also believe that the Bible is a book that anyone can understand if you take time to ask God to help you. I appreciate your putting these verses into context and showing the differences in the different translations.

I just want to say one way I decide right and wrong for myself. In the Bible, I'm not sure of the verse, it says that God's commandments were written on our hearts. I take this to refer to what we often call our "conscience". It is the voice inside us all whether we are saved or not that helps us determine right and wrong. I can feel that it would be wrong for me to have a relationship with another woman and that such actions or thoughts are a perversion to who God has called me to be.

However, I know many people that feel that they were created by God to be homosexual in nature. I really can't speak for them. I can't fully put myself in their shoes. All I can do is listen to what God commands of me. Love thy neighbor as thyself. Do not judge. Forgive others as Christ has forgiven you. Let he who is without sin cast the first stone.

I pray that I can allow my heart to be open to God's purpose instead of getting hung up on some verses that some people use to justify their superior feelings to others. For all have sinned and fall short of the glory of God.
Mar 31, 2015
 Excellent Article But
by: Sheep in Wolves Clothing

Hey Rick! This is a beautiful article and I commend you for writing such a beautiful representation of what it really means to be gay and christian. I am disappointed (but not surprised) by the resounding amount of ignorant folks who spew hate onto your page, but I'm also somewhat disappointed with your responses. I recognize your anger and frustration with these individuals, but responding to them with love and without sarcasm, as you did to an early anon comment, feels much more positive and more righteous than returning the angered words with witty comments.

Rick's comment: Hi Sheep - thanks for your input BUT I've never been a go along to get along, always gotta be positive Christian. When people reject truth, we should confront them. Their laziness and lack of study, their enervating ignorance, their arrogance in teaching error - those are never to be celebrated.

The battery on your car has two poles, one positive and one negative. If your battery had two positive poles, you could not start your car. Negative is necessary and is a normal part of life.

P.S. - Honesty is not anger and frustration - you are wrong to assume that about me. The constant avalanche of affirmation and saccharine positivity in the christian world is nothing more than faux honesty, an effort toward political correctness instead of love for truth.
Apr 01, 2015
 Remember Adam and Eve, Not Adam and Steve
by: Follower-of-the-Messiah

Obviously who ever wrote this has no idea what their talking about. Gay Christian 101. Really!!! there is no such thing as a Gay Christian. i mean Come on, it clearly states in Leviticus chapter 18:22 and other chapters that it an Abomination. that is the King James Version and not the Niv. I guarantee any version that you look at will say the same thing except worded differently. you cant pick and choose from the Bible it comes as a whole. its right there your just to blinded by sin!!! to see it. Gays, lesbians, transgenders will Not enter into heaven Ever!!!!!!!!! Sin Cannot Enter into Heaven at Any time Whatsoever. God does Not Ever make Mistakes at Any given time. If you were born a Man, Stay a Man, and a Women Stay a Women. I mean this is completely ridiculous that your telling people Homosexuals and Trannys will get to Heaven. Clearly you have a Demon. Clearly you have no love of God in your life.

Rick's comment: HI Follower - LOL - I'll assume that if you're saved, it happened recently and you're young in the Lord. You have probably never read the Bible from cover to cover and you probably have not even read the New Testament from cover to cover.

As you grow in the Lord, I hope you will learn to study the Bible in context, 2 Timothy 2:15, instead of taking someone's word for what it says, Acts 17:11.

Isn't it odd? You and I disagree on the gay issue. Imagine that - I disagree with YOU, so you say, If he disagrees with ME, he must have a demon. Hahaha - that is so silly.

What must I do to be saved?
Apr 15, 2015
 Wake Up Call
by: StarDspl

Rick, I don't know why you would come up with such a article to promote the ungodly lifestyle of homosexuality or any other perverted sexual practice. Being a homosexual, transgender, bisexual etc. is a sin just as bestiality, lying with one's close relative, such one's mother, aunt etc.

You seem to twist the truth to justify sin that God clearly points out that will keep one out of Heaven. You know the truth or either are blinded by your father, satan. You are helping satan distort the truth and ultimately fool many others living the gay lifestyle so that they will join him in hell. I pray that you stop twisting the Bible verses to your and satan's benefit. You have now been warned and I hope you repent of your false teaching before it's too late for you.

I apologize for writing down bestiality. It's actually spelled beastality. In addition to my prior comment, doesn't Paul have a long list of other not only sins but those who practice them regularly as a lifestyle such as alcoholics, murders, and whoremongers. This list also includes homosexuals and there is no way to justify there chance of going to Heaven without true repentance and change from that lifestyle. Peace and wishes for you to repent and seek change.

Rick's comment: Hi StarDspl - what a humble guy you must be to choose the fake name, Star Disciple instead of using your real name. LOL - This is YOUR Wake Up Call. Buy a vowel - get a clue dude! God never puts a premium on ignorance and ignorance about the Bible is NEVER the fruit of the Spirit.

You sound like you've never read the Bible or even the New Testament from cover to cover. Why is that? Examine yourself and ask:

Why am I so willing to attack my gay brothers and lesbian sisters when I am so ignorant of what the Bible says in context?

Your assignment IF you really want to be a Star Disciple, is to read the entire New Testament from cover to cover. Then read it again and then, read it again. Get to know what you're talking about in context before presuming to judge us as blinded by Satan. And all God's people said: Amen and Amen.
Apr 19, 2015
 Gay Christianity
by: Hello Rick

Hi Rick, I am truly sorry for your ignorance in understanding all of the Bible verses that clearly point out that homosexuals will not enter into the kingdom of God. While I may have missed one vowel (and then immediately corrected it, if you even noticed it), you will miss Heaven if you don't stop your false teaching.

You need to get a clue. Jesus does in fact love everyone but the fact remains that the long lists of those who practice certain lifestyles-murderers, thieves, adulterers, homosexuals etc...) will be kept out of God's presence for all eternity. And why should I reveal my name to you? I don't owe you anything but to love you in spite of your wicked ways. Peace to you Rick.

Rick's comment: Hi alleged StarDspl - LOL - Imagine that - I disagree with YOU on the gay issue so you conclude that:

1. I am not saved and,

2. I live a wicked lifestyle.

I get that from quite a few professing Christians who, strangely enough:

1. Rarely study the Bible - have probably never read the New Testament from cover to cover.

2. Rarely study culture and history

3. Cannot intelligently discuss the clobber passages

4. Spend too much time trolling gay websites

5. Lack courage to put their real name with their snarky comments.

Please - stop being a secret disciple of Jesus. If you're serious about following and witnessing for Jesus, it's okay to come out of the closet of anonymity and into the light of the glorious gospel of Christ. Go ahead - you CAN do it.

"Be strong and of a good courage, fear not, nor be afraid of them: for the LORD thy God, he it is that doth go with thee; he will not fail thee, nor forsake thee." Deuteronomy 31:6
Apr 19, 2015
 God Is angry
by: Wrestler

I don't know why this site even exists. If you call yourself a gay Christian then you have not read the bible correctly. The bible clearly states that if a man sleeps with another man, as with a woman, they shall be put to death. What is so hard to understand about that? It's so simple.

THEY MUST BE PUT TO DEATH as I am literally reading it right now. Liviticus 20:13. So Rick if you are gay then you must be put to death or else you are not following Gods word like a true Christian would. It's like a bunch of 2nd graders that can't read properly here.

Rick's comment: Hi Wrestler - LOL - A Chinese Chihuahua knows more about the Bible than you, because you rarely read or study the Bible in context.

By the way, sounds like you made a death threat against me.

Is kill gays what God wants?
Apr 20, 2015
 Idk - confused about hell
by: Brice

Ik I'm might be too young to think or post about anything with this but im pretty young and when I was in middle school I had bibles thrown at me I was pushed of curves I got a lot of hell and still am n I get told every other day I'm going to hell n idk what's to think it scares me honestly I try to be the best person I can be n I love Jesus christ as my lord n savor but it kill me wondering if everything I do it comes down to my sexuality if I might go to heaven or hell idk I'm very confused n ik this properly won't make any sense for this post but if u could email me that would mean the world to me cuz I have nobody to talk to this about.

Rick's comment: Hi Brice - I sent an email to both email addresses you provided. Check your Spam file if you haven't received them. Hope they're helpful to you.

Can I know for sure that I'm saved?

Jesus teaches Hell 101
May 01, 2015
 God called us to be holy as He is holy.
by: Tae Jun

Everything we do must be pleasing to God's eyes. We must be holy and pure. The NIV is a book of lies.
May 12, 2015
 God
by: Craig erlandson

Yes god saves you from your sins the only hitch is you have to ask him and repent
May 20, 2015
 All hatred is a manipulation by Satan.
by: Mark Andrews

It is sad today to realize that an organization like a church can spout so much hatred towards humanity, and it really occurs to me that supposedly decent Christians have allowed Satan to enter their hearts to do his biding in the name of Jesus's love. Actions like this sometimes manipulate gay people to turn away from God, not realizing that it isn't God and his son, our savior, who is making this happen, but the angel of darkness. The great deceiver disguises himself/herself in the realm of the church to spread vile hatred which goes against every word Jesus ever said in his sadly short life. I have other sins in my life which I constantly work on to have God forgive me, but the fact that I am only capable of loving another man makes these ignorant people want to kill me (all in the name of God) is very sad. I have many gay friends who have never attained faith or left theirs behind because they sadly believe that they are going to hell, so why not just enjoy the party when you are here on earth? I sure am enjoying the party, but I thank God and his son, my savior, every day for making me healthy, happy, and for all the great gifts I have received through his blessings, and that includes the times of suffering which has only made me stronger and more sure of the fact that God has been with me through even the darkest of times. Let's put focus on more important issues, like the fact that Satan is destroying society through the obsession with mass media and technology and the lack of real human interaction.
Jun 26, 2015
 FALSE PROPHETS
by: THE AUTHORIZED KING JAMES BIBLE

"Beware of false prophets, who come to you in sheep's clothing but inwardly are ravenous wolves." MATTHEW 7:15

THIS IS YOU, RICK.

Rick's comment: LOL - Gotta laugh at gutless wonders who accuse those of us on the front lines of the Internet truth war of being false prophets but who are too cowardly to put their real name with their silly accusation.

I encourage every English speaking person to read, believe, memorize and obey the old Authorized Version KJB.

Man Up Sister! If you're going to call me a false prophet, at least have enough guts to put your name with your comment AND say why you think I'm a false prophet.

No dear, disagreeing with YOU on the gay issue does not make ME a false prophet.

What must I do to be saved?
Jun 26, 2015
 confused
by: candy

My heart, thought,and ultimate belief is that homosexuality isn't a sin and you show that in several versus. However, I'm still confused because other versus state differently. Such as Lev.18:22, deu.22:5, rom. 1:26-27. There we're a few more quoted to me, but I can't remember them all. Can you help me understand these versus because I've honestly become confused. Regardlyi do not believe a homosexual will burn in hell and believe in salvation. The problem I'm having is determining if it's a sin or not?

Rick's comment: Hi Candy - Yes, I can help. On the NavBar, under, What The Bible Says, click on the buttons. I address and explain the clobber passages. Also, please read through my Gay Christian FAQ.
Jun 27, 2015
 Confused
by: Skippy

I understand repenting and God not holding past sins against you, but continuing to be gay after repenting is still continuing to sin.

Rick's comment: Hi Skippy - more thought and study are needed so that you under-stand, It is not a sin to be gay.
Jul 01, 2015
 homosexuality
by: christine

You are in serious error. The entire counsel of God in the BIble is against homosexuality. Stop trying to twist a single verse. It is up there with murder, adultery, pride etc etc. Does God love all of the above - thank goodness He does. Does He desire all to know Him and be with Him for eternity - He does. Will all people He loves be saved - NO - only those who do the will of the Father. Like all sin, homosexuality is an abomination to a Holy God. It is forgivable but only when repented of. You can't say, I'm sorry I practice homosexuality but I am going to keep having sex with a member of the same sex. It's those who continually persist in the sin that will go to hell. Once the state says it is OK to marry according to human law (not God's law), it will be very hard for homosexuals to repent - which means change your mind and actions. If I steal a loaf of bread and repent and don't continue in that sin I am not called a thief - it is not my character or who I am, it was a one off sin but if I persist in this sin of stealing and it becomes who I am then it is a different matter and I need to repent. Is homosexuality a sin - absolutely and I can send you passage after passage in the bible to explain why - even the medical profession say its causing enormous health and medical problems for homosexuals. Get real - if you want to sin then do it but please don't don't try and justify it.

I have seen hundreds of homosexuals set free and marry a person of the opposite sex and have a family the natural way. It is doable.

Rick's comment: Hi Christine - I question the honesty of your statement, which I bolded above.

Exodus International the largest ex-gay ministry on earth shut down in 2013 and admitted they didn't see anyone change their sexual orientation in the almost 40 years they operated.

Holding out false hope of change for gays and condemning them to hell if they can't change and ripping verses out of context to make it seem like the Bible condemns gays is spiritual malpractice.
Jul 08, 2015
 wrong
by: mike

Nice try, but you are wrong. If a person were to murder everyday of their life, like gays do when they are with a partner, would Jesus forgive by accepting him? Being gay isnt a sin, but acting on it is a sure way to go to hell. You cant make things up to live a life of sin.

Rick's comment: Hi Mike - your words are incoherent - you haven't thought about this much. You wrote: "If a person were to murder everyday of their life, like gays do when they are with a partner" - I'm not sure what you mean by that.
Jul 09, 2015
 If it's not a sin to be gay, how do you explain this?
by: Tim

Leviticus 20:13 - Authorized King James Version, KJV

13 If a man also lie with mankind, as he lieth with a woman, both of them have committed an abomination: they shall surely be put to death; their blood shall be upon them.

Rick's comment: Hi Tim - What are shrine prostitutes?
Jul 26, 2015
 No they won't - no abomination will enter the kingdom of god
by: Jus

No the sick perverted filthy people will not enter the kingdom of god homosexuality is sick and perverted it's sad that people have became that perverted in the head from watching crap on TV that they think it's normal

fact 1 if it was the human race doubt have died a long time ago no homosexual filthy single enter the kingdom of heaven you can make up your new twisted Bibles it is not going to save you from the truth you sick perverted things it clearly indicates in New and Old Testament it is a sick abomination everyone that is not deceived that does have the holy ghost in a relationship with Jesus Christ knows this it is sick and perverted pedafiles you can make up all the lies you want at the end of the day you going to hear you sick perverted paedophiles it's in New and Old Testament Your God is Satan the devil he is a he she.

Rick's comment: Hi Jus - Sorry you're having a difficult day. Hope it gets better for you.

What must I do to be saved?
Aug 17, 2015
 Sodom history
by: Just curious

If lord say u can enter heaven if u gay or lesb, then whats the reason god destroyed Sodom? It doesn't add up.

Rick's comment: Sodom had many sins, including inhospitality or lack of hospitality. Here are a few more that are listed in the Bible.

"As I live, saith the Lord GOD, Sodom thy sister hath not done, she nor her daughters, as thou hast done, thou and thy daughters. Behold, this was the iniquity of thy sister Sodom, 1. pride, 2. fulness of bread, and 3. abundance of idleness was in her and in her daughters, 4. neither did she strengthen the hand of the poor and needy. And 5. they were haughty, and 6. committed abomination before me: therefore I took them away as I saw good." - Ezekiel 16:48-50

The sins of Sodom
Aug 28, 2015
 I Trust
by: FeramiGreen

I have a good relationship with God but Im a lesbian. My crush is girls. But I dont want to get into relationship with another girl. because I believe that is a sin. Please help me. I tried hundred times to stop my feelings but its not work. What to do?

Rick's comment: Hi FeramiGreen - Here's the best advice I can give you.

1. Make absolutely sure you are saved by the Lord Jesus Christ - don't trust your church or your works or your good intentions.

What must I do to be saved?

2. Start reading and studying your Bible so you can grow as a Christian and so you'll know more than the anti-gay crowd.

Bible Study, Part 1

3. Read through this website and make notes as if you're studying for a class, so you will know what the Bible says and doesn't say.

4. There is no way to change your innate sexual orientation. The largest ex-gay group on earth, Exodus International, shut down their entire ministry on 6-20-2013 and admitted attempts to change sexual orientation were not working for anyone.
Sep 07, 2015
 Gays ARE going to hell.
by: Jhon

Gays ARE going to hell if thy do not change their sinful ways. Everyone is straying from gods holy and true word and soon they shall pay for it. "Faith without works is DEAD" you have to WORK for youre salvation. If you're at all affiliated with anything godly you will see you're error and change you're ways. Leviticus 18:22 plainly says that thou shalt not lie with mankind, as with womankind: it IS abomination.

Rick's comment: Hi Jhon - Thanks for your input. I hope you will keep studying the Bible. God has truth for you if you're interested in hearing it.

What must I do to be saved?
Sep 08, 2015
 Rick
by: Jhon

Rick if you don't change you're ways you're going to hell like the rest of you're followers. You are wrong about many things and I don't eaven know how you sleep at night. You must already be gone.

Rick's comment: Hi Jhon - God bless you. We are saved, washed in the blood of God's holy Lamb, sanctified and filled with the blessed Holy Ghost.
Sep 09, 2015
 thank you
by: A friend

thank you for posting this, I'm a Christian and newly homo, I've heard way to many times that homo cant go to heaven, I've been really depressed lately, this helped, thank you.

Rick's comment: Hi Friend - I'm glad we could be helpful. Please explore our many FREE Bible study resources. After making sure you are saved, I think you will be pleased to discover that God has joy and blessing as you walk the path of His purpose for your life.
Sep 10, 2015
 What about Romans 1:22-28....
by: Jessica

Rowan 1:22-28 It doesn't get any more clear than that. I literally says God abandoned them and specifically says, women started having unnatural sexual relations, as well as men listing and acting with other men sexual, so God abandoned then to let them have the wicked desires of their lust.

There are tons of other verses about it but it just seems the gay community twists things to make themselves feel better about it. So we shall see on judgement day. I'm sorry at that point it will be too late to accept the truth. But as long as they feel loved on the walk to judgement day right? Sad. Temporary happiness for an eternity of pain.

Rick's comment: Hi Jessica - Romans 1 is not about gays and lesbians. Paul makes a strong argument against idolatry. Then he illustrates his argument in v. 26 by mentioning female shrine prostitutes and in v. 27 by mentioning male shrine prostitutes.

Both women and men engaged in anal sex in their pagan worship of the fertility goddess. Neither the men nor the women were said by Paul to be homosexual. There is plenty of information to support what I've written, on my Romans 1 page.
Sep 11, 2015
 One-sided Christianity
by: Mark Waltz

Spread hate around to do your dirty deeds. Spread lies around to manipulate. Spread gossip to destroy. Religious right gets to destroy through wars and a supposed flag of Christ. The real Jesus lived for peace and love of humanity. If you are truly one of Christ, you will love all, do your best to understand all, and really keep the Son of God in your heart without the hatred and one-sided arguments against a large percentage of the population. Live to love, not to hate. We are fighting a war together. Doesn't it make sense to have a large army in the name of salvation?
Oct 28, 2015
 Judgment Day
by: Christian

One of the Bible’s greatest truths is that when we turn to Jesus Christ in repentance and faith, God forgives our sins and gives us the gift of eternal life. We no longer need to fear death or Hell or judgment, because Christ endured them for us. As the Bible says, "He forgave us all our sins" (Colossians 2:13)...

Rick's comment: I have posted hundreds of comments from Anonymous "christian" cowards who condemn gays but who lack the courage and character to put their name with their negative comments. I'm posting your first paragraph but deleted the rest of your comment.

It is time for you to come out of your christian closet into the light of the glorious gospel of Christ. Stop hiding in the shadows of anonymity while you take pot shots at your gay brothers and lesbian sisters. Man up!

What must I do to be saved?
Oct 30, 2015
 Repent or Perish
by: Sola Scriptura

Yes you will go to hell if you remain in sin. The wages of sin is death. An adulterer is not to remain an adulterer and a thief is not to remain a thief.You say Sola Scriptura but ignore the facts before your faces.An twist the words to justify the sin you all remain in. Repent means change one's mind and turn away from.... It does not take a rocket scientist to figure this out what it is saying. But if a homosexual repent's renounces the sin then of course they will be saved. If not and like all other people who do not repent they go to hell.Itis not a easy thing to hear but it is the truth. Let not the enemy deceive you! Ask God to revel the truth and ask Him to expose the reality of Scripture and that He is really saying.

Rick's comment: LOL - gutless wonder Calvinists afraid to put your real name with your insulting comments while claiming sola scriptura. You tell us:

"Ask God to revel the truth and ask Him to expose the reality of Scripture and that He is really saying" yet you've never done that with the clobber passages and couldn't discuss them intelligently if your life depended on it.

"Physician, heal thyself:" Jesus, in Luke 4:23

In plainer words, take your own advice. We've been studying these verses and these issues for years and this 500+ page website is one result of our study.
Nov 28, 2015
 Gay Christian contradiction?
by: Charles

Seeing how god burned Sodom and Gomorrah to the ground I think its ignorant from a fundamental perspective to pretend God is okay with that lifestyle choice, I think Leviticus 20:13 sums it up. I don't hate gays or care if they get married, but saying your a gay christian is like me saying I'm a vegetarian while eating beef and pork.

Rick's comment: Hi Charles - How have you managed to be so wrong on so many things? God listed sins of Sodom in Ezekiel 16:49-50 and homosexuality was not among them.

If you bothered to read the Sodom story in Genesis 19, you would discover that no one in Sodom is said to be gay, no one in Sodom has a gay relationship or has gay sex or a gay marriage.

There are two rapes committed in Genesis 19 and both are heterosexual on heterosexual rape - how did you miss that?

Homosexuality is no more a life style choice than heterosexuality - When did you choose to be heterosexual?

Leviticus 20:13 sums it up, really? The context of Lev 20:13 is the Holiness code, which is Lev chapters 17-25. Notice Leviticus 17:7, 18:3, 21-22, 20:2, 3, 4, 5; in other words, using sex to worship idols and false gods is the sin God is focused on in Leviticus. Before making negative comments about your gay brothers and lesbian sisters, a wise man would obey 2 Timothy 2:15, so he knows what he's talking about.

What must I do to be saved?
Dec 07, 2015
 Why do gay Sodomites do what they do ?
by: Frank

Don't blame the Bible because it doesn't suit your lifestyle. I majored in Religious Studies, heard the sob stories from gays and lesbians. If you are going to blame someone-blame yourselves. People die every day and since you didn't follow God's commandments,don't be surprised when you are sent to HELL.

Rick's comment: Hi Frank - It's best not to loathe yourself for being gay. God has blessing and joy for you if you'll trust Jesus and receive His full and FREE salvation.

In the spirit of truth, the Bible never equates gays with sodomites and the Bible never refers to gays or lesbians as sodomites.

What must I do to be saved?


Wishing you a blessed Merry Christmas.
Dec 09, 2015
 wasn't king james bisexual
by: shay

i read that king james was gay himself that two of his boyfriend were buried with him one on the right and one to his left. King James authorized each part of his bible he even said that he was the same as God himself for whom else choses besides them either someone lives or dies. am I the only one who researched this? how come the bible cost so much?

Rick's comment: Hi Shay - Some people believe that King James was gay or bisexual and some believe he was heterosexual. This article explores some of the personal relationships of King James.

I'm not sure how to answer your question about how much the Bible costs. You can find King James Versions for $1 at many Dollar Stores. If you want a good quality leather bound study Bible, you can get one on Amazon for between $40 and $180.

I have a Cambridge pinseal morocco leather bound KJV Bible which I have used for 30+ years. It cost about $35 when I bought it in the early 1980s and still looks good today, even after being used extensively for 30+ years.
Dec 14, 2015
 Effemination
by: Paula Lopez

The word that depicts homosexuality in the King James Version Bible is Effemination not arsenokoitai. Can you please have a closer look at that? Thank you (:

Rick's comment: Hi Paula - Here is 1 Cor 6:9 in the KJV.

"Know ye not that the unrighteous shall not inherit the kingdom of God? Be not deceived: neither fornicators, nor idolaters, nor adulterers, nor effeminate," (Greek word malakoi) "nor abusers of themselves with mankind," (Greek word arsenokoitai).

I have several pages about arsenokoitai which you may find helpful.