Are you 100% sure that God allows homosexuality among Christians?

by Josh
(Miami, Florida, USA)



You’re asking the indubitability question, related to Descartes, 1596-1650, and the Cartesian school of thought. Indubitable truth is truth that cannot possibly be false therefore indubitable truth is truth we can be 100% sure of.

Indubitability is a concept used by philosophers and theologians to quantify probability. Indubitability refers to truth that is beyond question, beyond dispute, beyond doubt, impossible to doubt, 100% certain.

100% sure means its impossible that you are wrong and 100% certain you are right. We do know some things based on God’s revelation to us in the holy scriptures. For example, we know that God’s word is true from the beginning, Psalm 119:160.

100% sure means you’ve considered every other possibility no matter how unlikely or improbable and determined based on factual evidence that no other possibility exists.

Only God has absolute knowledge


Indubitability, being 100% sure of something requires absolute and infallible knowledge, something human beings do not possess. Only God possesses absolute and infallible knowledge. In the philosophical sense it is truthful to say that no human being is 100% sure because (1) none of us has absolute knowledge and (2) none of us has infallible knowledge.

Its important to remember that God does not require infallible certainty for us to believe on Him to get saved or for the rest of the Christian beliefs we derive from the Bible. Now to your question.

Are you 100% sure
that God allows homosexuality
among Christians?


No, it is not humanly possible to be 100% sure since indubitability - 100% certainty - is God’s province alone. I should also point out however that the anti-gay folks are not 100% sure God is against Christian homosexuals.

If we suspend belief on every issue until we have checked every possible alternative, until we are indubitably 100% sure, then we have suspended belief forever because we are not God.

If we require indubitability (100% certainty) before we believe something we will never believe anything.

Conclusion


At some point our desire for 100% absolute certainty (indubitability) must yield to sufficient probability. In plainer words it is rational to respond to the light God has given us.

Our belief in the Bible’s truthfulness (Psalm 119:160) should never be sidetracked simply because someone presents an alternative possibility. Possibilities do not equal probabilities. A thing can be possible without being at all probable.

a. Never be shaken by unlikely possibilities.

b. Never believe that all possibilities are equal.

c. Never require indubitability since indubitability is impossible for any mere human.

When we refuse to believe what God says in His infallible word, we are actually deciding to reject God’s revealed truth.

Saying that “since the Bible isn’t full of same sex couples, that could mean God is against same sex couples therefore I chose to believe on the basis of no objective evidence that same sex couples cannot be blessed by God” is less than rational. It is not sufficiently probable as to compel belief.

How we know
with sufficient probability


Here are some of the lights God has given us so we can know God affirms, blesses and loves same sex couples.

1. Every clobber passage in the Bible is in the context of shrine prostitution or slavery or rape.

2. Traditional Complementarity teaching - the old cannard that “God created Adam and Eve not Adam and Steve” - is disproven 44 verses after Genesis 2:24 when we read in Genesis 4:19 that Lamech had two wives. God’s blessing on polygamy disproves absolute complementarianism, Deuteronomy 21:15-17.

3. The love story of David and Jonathan (beginning in 1 Samuel 18) is God shining His spotlight on the sanctity of committed same sex partnerships.

4. The fact that no verse of scripture in context, condemns committed same sex relationships indicates what a non-issue those are with God.

We can therefore Biblically, logically and rationally, with sufficient probability, believe that God affirms and blesses committed GLBT partnerships without requiring 100% indubitable certainty.


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Apr 30, 2014
 A Confused Man
by: John Fountain

I'm still so confused about being gay. I am a christian but I still have feelings for the same sex. I don't want to go to hell but how am I suppose to have a relationship with the opposite sex if they don't want nothing to with me? I guess I will be single and miserable for the rest of my life. Please what I do? Please tell me something. I'm so scared and confused I don't know what to believe.

Rick's comment: Hi John - This website answers your question. First, make sure you are saved. Then, please start reading AND looking up the scriptures in your Bible. Underline or hi-lite verses that the Holy Spirit impresses on your heart. Make notes in the margins of your Bible. Believe what God said in His word, in context, and live for Jesus.
Apr 30, 2014
 Still A Little Confused
by: John Fountain

I got rebaptized just last year because I was hooked on horror movies. Well, not anymore. That chapter in my life is over but this new chapter about my life being gay or straight still confuses me. I'm trying to understand about what you are saying but I can't. Are you saying you can have a gay relationship with the same sex and still be a Christian or am I going to hell because of a gay relationship, or am I just going to be single and alone for the rest of my life?

Rick's comment: Hi John - Yes, you can be in a gay relationship and still be saved. No one goes to hell because they are gay. The most important question to answer right now is: Am I sure that I am saved? Many gay Christians are cultural Christians. They grew up in church. They are religious. They try to do the right thing but they've never personally received Jesus Christ as their Savior from sin.

Why do so many young people quit church?

The best preparation for being a disciple of Jesus is to know for sure you are saved. Everyone needs to be saved from sin and from hell. Here is what Jesus taught about hell.

Jesus teaches Hell 101

Getting saved and becoming a disciple of Jesus means not trusting your good works, baptism, sacraments, confirmation, being a cultural Christian or grace allegedly flowing from a church and instead, trusting by grace alone through faith alone in Jesus Christ alone to save you.

How can I know FOR SURE I am saved?

Once you know you are saved, it helps to understand what happened when you got saved.

What happens when you get saved?

Once you understand what happened when you got saved, it helps to understand how long you are saved for. Is your salvation temporary or eternal?

Is my salvation eternal?

Gay Christian FAQ - answers you need

Hope this is helpful John. - Pastor Rick
Apr 30, 2014
 I Think I Understand
by: John Fountain

I used to love watching horror movies until one day they started to change me. My attitude towards my mother was horrible. I was so disrespectful to her. I love her very much you know. That's why I got rid of them and accepted Christ back in my life. That's why I am saved. It will be two years in June when I got rid of the movies. That's my story. But am I ever going to find that special someone or stay single for the rest of my life? I beginning to understand what your saying before. I really don't know for sure if I'm gay or not if I don't do a little experiment. Can you give me some advice?

Rick's comment: Hi John - no one has to experiment to know if they're gay. These links may be helpful.

How can I tell if I'm gay or bisexual?

How do you know if you're homosexual?

If you're a gay Christian does God still love you?
May 01, 2014
 Still Not Sure of Myself
by: John Fountain

When it says in the Bible "Do you not know that the unrighteous and the wrongdoers will not inherit or any share in the kingdom of God?" What does that mean? If you are gay or straight will you go to hell?

Rick's comment: Hi John - you cited 1 Corinthians 6:9. That verse is talking about shrine prostitutes or temple prostitutes, not gay men and not lesbians. Here is a more in depth look at what it means.

How do you answer the verses that says homosexuals will not go to heaven?

Does the Bible say homosexuals will go to hell?

Like I said before, I was rebaptized and was saved by Jesus Christ and received him as my Lord and Saviour. So I'm scared and alone. But if I was in a gay relationship, would I still go to Heaven but still not have any share in the Kingdom of God? Or am I going straight to Hell for all eternity? I hate so much to bother you so much but I just didn't know who else to turn too. I feel like I can talk to you like this. It feels like I'm talking to a friend. I can't talk to nobody else.

Rick's comment: Yes John, you can be in a gay relationship and enjoy gay sex and still go to heaven. God loves you with an everlasting love and He saved you from your sins, not from your sexual orientation. God wants us to be holy, to live for Jesus, to take the Bible seriously and to always take the Bible, IN CONTEXT.

Condemnation often comes from people who rip verses out of context to condemn gays and lesbians. When Jesus saved you, He set you FREE - Galatians 5:1. I encourage you to spend time reading and exploring our

Gay Christian FAQ. God has blessing for you and peace in your heart and joy in your life. You are a lot tougher than you think. Keep reading and taking notes and studying. Read and reread until you know it in your heart and can explain it to other.

God has a wise and wonderful purpose for your life, Ephesians 2:10 and He intends to use you to bless and encourage others. Please keep in touch and let me know how things are going. You're welcome to use the Contact Us form if you'd like to talk. I'm praying for you John.
May 02, 2014
 A Questional Theory
by: John Fountain

I don't think all Southern Baptists will agree with you when you say that you can have a openly gay relationship with the same sex. I am a Southern Baptist and I can't agree with them. I'm thinking of three things:

1. just go to Sunday school

2. start looking for a new church or

3. just not go at all and rely on my bible. I don't want to do those things but I may not have no choice. Please pray for me and I will pray too that I make a difficult decision.

Rick's comment: Praying for you John. You can go to gaychurch.org to see if there are any gay friendly or gay affirming churches where you live. Often though, if they are gay affirming, they don't teach much Bible but perhaps there is a good affirming church in your area.
May 17, 2014
 What does God want from me?
by: John Fountain

I haven't sent you a letter in awhile. But I'm curious about something. If you have feelings for the same gender then you're not sinning am I right? But if you act on your feelings like a kiss, then that is a sin?

I'm 47 years old, single, not attracted to women, scared and alone. So how does God expects me to be with someone I don't want to be with like women but can't be with the same gender? I certainly don't want to go to hell, but I can't stay single forever.

What does God want or expect from me? I'm following his scriptures and commandments, what more does he want from me?

Rick's comment: Hi John - This website explains what God wants from you.

1. To get saved, Romans 3:23, 5:8-9, 6:23, 10:9-13

2. To learn basic Bible doctrine, 2 Timothy 3:15-17

3. To read and study the Bible, 2 Timothy 2:15

4. To be a Holy Spirit empowered witness for Jesus Christ, Matthew 28:18-20, Acts 1:8

Have you clicked on the links in my previous answers to you and read the information on those pages?

God has joy and blessing for you John, as you walk in the Christian liberty Christ gives you, Galatians 5:1 and walk in the blessed Holy Spirit, Galatians 5:16.
May 17, 2014
 May I keep in touch?
by: John Fountain

I did click on the information you send me. I believe it help me understand things better. Thank you. If you don't mind, can I keep in touch with you from time to time?

Rick's comment: Yes John, please do keep in touch. I'm praying that the Lord will show you His will as He meets your needs.
Jun 25, 2014
 Homo and hetero acts sinful?
by: John Fountain

I believe that heterosexual acts are as sinful as homosexual acts outside of marriages. I don't know if you believe that or not but I sure do. It just seems like we're sinning no matter what. What do think about that? I mean, what is your opinion on my comment?

Rick's comment: God calls us to holiness, regardless our sexual orientation. Surprisingly, the clobber passages so frequently used against gays, in biblical cultural doctrinal historical linguistic and religious context, most often describe heterosexuals using same sex rituals to worship false gods and goddesses. Click on any NavBar link under, What The Bible Says, for more information.
Jun 25, 2014
 Hetero and Homo sexualilty
by: John Fountain

So what you are saying is that gay or straight we are sinning no matter what. I love God and respect him. I don't want to a big disappointment to him if I decided to be gay .....because I am about to come out of the closet for the first time. I am so scared. I believe that our God is an awesome God, a kind God, a loving God. But why does he condemn homosexuality and not heterosexuality? I don't believe that it's not fair to all of us. What do think about that?

Rick's comment: Hi John - No, that is most definitely NOT what I am saying. That's why I provided the Link to my Gay Christian FAQ. Please take the time to look through it and read the answers to the questions I answer there.

On Coming Out, I provide lots of info on that on this page: Coming Out to friends and family.
Oct 01, 2014
 Respectively another perspective
by: Mark C.

Hi John there is a difference between sin and temptation toward sin. Jesus was tempted in every way we are yet without sin. so when we are tempted it is not sin. it is sin when we give into temptation. with your struggles with same sex attraction you can have those feelings, and not act on them. even if you do fall into sin you don't have to beat yourself up because Jesus suffered for you.

when I fall into sin whether it is pride or homosexuality or any other sin I turn to Jesus in repentance assess the situation so that it doesn't get repeated. and then immediately go back to serving Jesus.

I'm not perfect so sometimes I do depress myself and worry myself about my sin. and i have dealt with my own same sex attraction in ways in which it has caused me problems.
Nov 08, 2014
 Inevitability and salvation
by: Garry Lee Hurst

If we can not, as humans, be 100 0/0 sure of anything in the scriptures, why would we fool with salvation? If I can not trust God to save me through the work of Jesus on the cross, because only God is well-known, and I am callable, why trust it.

God is infallible. I have trusted His word as well as The Word and His sacrifice on my behalf. Thank you Jesus for my salvation. I believe that Jesus is The Word, saint John 1. I believe scripture clearly teaches God is unhappy with GLOBe's. I believe that God loves all of us and wants us all to be saved. But after we are saved He expects us to stop living sinfully lives. This would include leaving the GLBT life style. Thank you for letting me share my comments despite my views being contrary to yours. Surely we all wish to understand God's truth revealed in the Holy Bible. May God bless.

Rick's comment: Hi Gary Lee - as pointed out in the article, indubitable certainty or 100% certainty is something only God is capable of, for the reasons pointed out in the article.

Your opinion about gays and lesbians is not supported by any verse of scripture in context.

What must I do to be saved?
Jan 28, 2015
 help
by: Bethany

I grow up in a Christian family and we learned that the women and men get married. Me and a beautiful girl have fallen in love. Please I don't know if I will go to heaven, help!!!!!!!!!!!!

Rick's comment: Hi Bethany - Thanks for asking for help. This website provides the biblical answers to help you.

First, make sure you are saved by grace alone through faith alone in the Lord Jesus Christ alone. Same for your girl friend.

Second, read my Gay Christian FAQ which answers questions often asked of lesbians and gays.

Third, for more in depth answers from the Bible, click on the NavBar links under, What The Bible Says.

And of course, READ, READ, READ the New Testament, preferably out loud, and share some of the reading with your girl friend. As you read, pray for the Holy Spirit to show you God's truth and what He wants you to do; then, obey what God shows you.

Now, I don't know how old you are so I'll say this. If you're still living at home with your parents, you need to be loving and obedient to them. That can be difficult but Jesus will help you to navigate this difficult time in your life. Your parents are struggling to understand all of this just like you are so love each other and don't become enemies if you disagree.

Please read and share with your girl friend, my helpful page about Coming Out. Sometimes it is best to wait to come out, until you're out of the house and living on your own and able to take care of yourself.

God will get you through this Bethany.
Nov 13, 2015
 How to Eliminate guilt about homosexuality
by: Rick A.

i was baptized and accept Jesus as my savior . Surprisingly God help to stop smoking, drinking to much and even sexual relationships with different people. Our church said to me that i can overcome homosexuality as they can overcome universal sin like stealing lying or murdering. but i know that deep inside of my heart i am still a gay. Please help me.

Rick's comment: Hi Rick - that is wonderful that you got saved. It helps to remember that Jesus never promised to save you from your sexual orientation. This entire website explains how to live for Jesus as an out gay Christian.

The way to eliminate the false guilt you are feeling is to stop listening to people who rip verses out of context and then misapply the out of context verses to you. The clobber passages have never been about being gay or lesbian. All of the clobber passages refer to shrine prostitution, not to gay men or lesbians.

Our Gay Christian FAQ answers 100 questions commonly asked about being gay and Christian.

On the NavBar under, What The Bible Says, we answer and explain the clobber passages. Be strong in the Lord and keep trusting Him. The Holy Spirit has already borne witness in your heart that you are saved and that you are still gay.

You can be a Bible believing gay Christian and still be a disciple of Jesus. Please keep in touch if you have more questions. God bless you Rick.
Feb 08, 2016
 genesis and gay marriage
by: Elliot

Hi! I know a lot of people are arguing about whether gay marriage is 100% allowed by God, and like you said I dont believe it is allowed 100% by God as we have no real way of knowing. However one point I would like to make is that it states In Genesis that a man sill be "united with his wife and they will be one. This is, if I'm correct, the basis of marriage. Now considering that only one man and one woman exist at the time, its obvious that he wasn't talking about two men/women. So, if God said that, and if marriage is a joining of a man and woman, then wouldn't gay marriage fall outside of that and not natural? Thats what bothers me about homosexuality.

Sorry if I make no sense, late night writing :)

Rick's comment: Hi Elliot - The Genesis account of Adam and Eve is descriptive, not prescriptive. One way we know that is: Adam and Eve were naked yet no one in his right mind says all married couples should live naked in a garden.

Another way we know that is: the children of Adam and Eve married each other yet no one in his right mind says that brothers and sisters should marry each other today.

That is why we say, the Genesis account of creation is descriptive, not prescriptive. It describes what happened back then - it does NOT prescribe that we must do exactly what Adam and Eve did.
Mar 03, 2016
 Gay Christian
by: Alex Crawford

Hi, I am Alex and I am a gay christian. I just wanted to say, I have read through the current comments and I am very pleased to see so many answers to all the questions I had. I used to think I was doing wrong because of what people say, but now realize that if I listen to the *opinion of man, I am not listening to god! I am saved and I live my life through my faith in god. Anyone who wants to hate me for being me, isn't doing what God would want them to do. I hope this website helps many more people.
Jan 15, 2018
 Just a couple of questions
by: Jenny

I'm a Christian lesbian and I've been going to your site which is very helpful thank you. I do have some questions though which I'm hoping you can help me with. I read through your Leviticus teaching and I agree with it I just have one question on it.

Since it's about cult prostitution why doesn't it also mention to not have heterosexual sex as a cult prostitute?


Rick's comment: Hi Jenny - The prohibitions in Lev 18:22 and 20:13 are aimed at prohibiting the sex rituals used to worship goat demons and the fertility gods and goddesses. Those sex rituals involved anal sex.

Also in the New Testament in 1 Peter he gives teachings on marriage saying that women are the weaker gender and women are to submit to their husbands. How am I to understand this verse and how does it apply to me as a lesbian? I hope you can help me. GOD bless you.

Rick's comment: In any marriage, couples divide up their duties based on who has time or who has more talent for a particular duty. It seems to me that common sense comes into play to decide how to make those decisions as a lesbian couple.
Apr 03, 2018
 I say, Love is love.
by: John Fountain

I say, love is love.

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